From: T i m on
On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:17:32 +0100, totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk (The
Older Gentleman) wrote:

><crn(a)NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:
>
>> Many of us regard bikes as a means of transport rather than boys toys.
>> The enjoyment is a side effect, not the reason for riding.
>
>Um....
>
>Car: does high 40s mpg, costs �250 a year to insure, tyres last for
>ever, carries lots of stuff as well as humans, protects me from getting
>wet or cold, has on-board music etc, goes 500+ miles on a tankful.
>
>BMW bike, does similar to the gallon, costs the same to insure, tyres
>shagged in 6k miles, can't carry as many humans or stuff, lets me get
>cold and wet, no entertainment, does 200+ miles on a tank....
>
>As a logical means of transport, except in town, the car wins out every
>time.

Not sure logic applies with some people though TOG. ;-)

For some their bike *is* (delete as applicable) their social life, a
penis extension, a source of excitement, a hobby and all the negatives
you outlined above are simply for them, badges to be worn proudly.

"I rode f'in 10,000 miles at f'in 150 mph, at night, in a f'in
monsoon, got soaked through to the f'in skin and was
out_of_my_f'in_brains. What a great f'in ride!" [1] ... sorta thing.
;-)

As mentioned elsewhere their bike(s) is bought (and sold) on a whim
(like a toy, as the next fastest thing comes out) and the only
spannering they might do to it is to remove the highly tuned /
matched factory exhaust of it and fit the loudest aftermarket can
there is, that and some coloured brailed brakes hoses and matching
fairing screw and anodized foot pegs kit etc etc.

That's not to say their way is wrong (it isn't) but just not what
motivates many of us.

Personally, whilst I have great respect for those who can and do
actually ride their bikes safely over vast distances (be it on a tour
or regular commuting) and those who wring every last second out of
their machines round a track or over 120 ft jumps whilst holding the
saddle with one hand etc, *I personally* have more respect for those
who find a wreck of a bike in a barn or ditch and lovingly restore it
to it's former glory (on a budget), because I understand that more.
maybe part of that is that I've never had a lot of money (never bought
a new bike or car etc) so much of my interest was born from a need to
get (and maintain) reliable 'transport' and initially a motorbike was
the easiest way to do that. [2]

I also 'enjoy' looking at some of the custom works_of_art, purely from
the design / effort POV (ie, no use as an everyday motorbike as such).

Sad though it may be to some but I am currently 'looking forward' to
turning up stainless steel replacements for these rusted plain steel
Unitrack bush / sleeves, partly because I like to improve stuff where
I can but also because even to buy the stainless and including the
parts discount I get, they work out cheaper than buying OEM ones, but
mostly because I'd like to think I never have to touch (or de-rust at
least) that area again! ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

p.s. Another biker who missed the point on why I'm currently doing
what I am on this 550 has 1) offered to loan me his 750 Nighthawk
(which was kind) and 2) said "if the bearings have lasted 22 years
already ... " without knowing how many sets the bike may have already
had in it's life and how long it may have been ridden with the
bearings seizing or actually seized up?

[1] No I didn't copy / pase that from anyone here <weg>.

[2] I actually rebuilt my first car (at 15) before my first motorbike.




From: Champ on
On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:53:12 +0100, Eddie <eddie(a)deguello.org> wrote:

>>> Getting better with the crutches, then?
>>
>> heh - yeah, not bad.
>>
>>> I found I could maintain a pretty good speed, once I got used to them;
>>> much faster than normal walking pace.
>>
>> Oh, I'm nowhere near that fast, but that's because my 'good' leg ain't
>> that good - the knee on the weight-bearing side is pretty swollen and
>> painful. I'm told that this is normal to some degree when one leg has
>> to take all the weight - did you not suffer from it at all?
>
>Not that I remember, but at the time I was a skint dole bludger, so
>probably wasn't being as mobile as you are. I can't remember how long I
>was on crutches, so maybe it wasn't for long enough to become an issue.

Well, my left knee started hurting within two days of being on
crutches!

My physio has written to the consultant saying my knee needs to be
looked at again. I'm a bit cheesed off with this, because I know knee
issues can be complicated and take ages.

>Also, I've got very strong legs compared to my upper body, so that might
>have helped too.

I *did* have very strong legs before the accident. Two weeks in a
hospital bed followed by 8 weeks in a wheelchair didn't help that,
tho.

--
Champ
What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger
ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken)
neal at champ dot org dot uk
From: Eddie on
Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:53:12 +0100, Eddie <eddie(a)deguello.org> wrote:
>
>> Not that I remember, but at the time I was a skint dole bludger, so
>> probably wasn't being as mobile as you are. I can't remember how long I
>> was on crutches, so maybe it wasn't for long enough to become an issue.
>
> Well, my left knee started hurting within two days of being on
> crutches!

That's probably not good.

Oh, there's something else that might be a factor: I was 23-ish at the
time (actually, I had to be sober on my 23rd birthday because of the
painkillers and what-not), whereas you're a /little/ bit older...

> My physio has written to the consultant saying my knee needs to be
> looked at again. I'm a bit cheesed off with this, because I know knee
> issues can be complicated and take ages.

At least they're going to look at it.

>> Also, I've got very strong legs compared to my upper body, so that might
>> have helped too.
>
> I *did* have very strong legs before the accident. Two weeks in a
> hospital bed followed by 8 weeks in a wheelchair didn't help that,
> tho.

True... I was allowed on crutches the next day.

The physio said that I could have crutches as soon as my knee (having
been battered about while they put the intramedullary nail in) could
cope with lifting my leg off the bed. "Like this?" was my immediate
response. I suspect my urge to use a proper toilet may have been a
strong motivating factor; I got the physio to carry the drain bottle
that was connected to my knee and put it on the toilet floor. Rarely
have I known such relief.

--
Eddie eddie(a)deguello.org

His: ZX-9R, Elefant 900 http://www.last.fm/group/ukrm
Hers: Monster S4R, GSX600F (breaking, everything must go!)
From: Bear on
In article <n9ksb4djjnjofjldutifdjc7f7e2ssesra(a)4ax.com>, T i m says...

> Well (with respect) we will have to agree to disagree (otherwise I
> wouldn't have replied in the first place), unless you would be so kind
> and explain how anything I said had any relevance to the reply and
> hence why it should have been left in?

Oh FFS. I give up.
--
Bear
2002 Yamaha R1
Saab Aero Sport
From: Champ on
On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:57:05 +0200, Ace <b.rogers(a)ifrance.com> wrote:

>>>Also, I've got very strong legs compared to my upper body, so that might
>>>have helped too.
>>
>>I *did* have very strong legs before the accident. Two weeks in a
>>hospital bed followed by 8 weeks in a wheelchair didn't help that,
>>tho.
>
>My legs managed to retain their strength when I was down, I guess due
>to being able#Wmade to walk, at least a little bit with the physio
>assisting, from about ten days after the accident. The relatively
>small amount of skiing I did that season (just a 2-3 weeks' worth)
>also helped maintain the muscle.
>
>But the lost core and upper-body strength has taken two years of hard
>work, and I'm still not sure it's back to what it was beforehand.

Interesting - I feel like my upper body has got stronger, initially
using the chair (which is hard work), and now using the crutches
(which is harder).
--
Champ
What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger
ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken)
neal at champ dot org dot uk
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