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From: Vito on 10 Jun 2010 16:42 ? wrote: > On Jun 10, 9:03 am, "Steve Lusardi" <stevenos...(a)lusardi.de> wrote: >> What do you mean I'm wrong. You start a tread with a question. You >> then reject all suggestions. What's wrong with this picture? > > Why can't I get a *straight answer* to the original question: "Has > anybody ever been in a situation where they were tempted to *reduce* > air pressure in their tires for comfort during a ride?" > > Couldn't that question be answered by a simple "yes" or "no," perhaps > followed by an anecdote? NO
From: saddlebag on 10 Jun 2010 17:16 On Jun 9, 10:23 pm, "Tim M." <tomorrowaterolsdot...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 9, 6:24 pm, saddlebag <saddle...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 8, 11:50 pm, "Tim M." <tomorrowaterolsdot...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 8, 1:15 pm, "?" <breoganmacbr...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Has anybody ever been in a situation where they were tempted to > > > > *reduce* air pressure in their tires for comfort during a ride? > > > > > The recommended minimum air pressure and suspension settings > > > > in my Yamaha FZR1000 owner's manual don't work for me. > > > > > The area I live in has rather extreme temperature variations which I > > > > doubt ever occur in Japan where the test riders must have > > > > determined the recommended settings. > > > > > It can be 55 degrees in the morning here and I set my rear tire > > > > pressure to the minimum 36 psi recommended by the manual. > > > > > I have the rear suspension preload backed off almost to the minimum.. > > > > Backing off any more will result in bottoming. > > > > > By midafternoon, the temperature is up around 100 degrees and the > > > > pavement temperature has to be at least 120 degrees. > > > > > The rear tire pressure rises to 40 psi and the motorcycle becomes a > > > > torture rack over the roughly paved county road that is the last 20 > > > > miles of my route. > > > > You do realize that you can reduce your tire pressure to 36psi after > > > it has risen to 40psi, right? You do know that different tire guages > > > give different readings, right? And you have checked yours to see > > > that it is not reading 10 or 15% low, which is very common, and could > > > mean that you are riding around with 44-46 psi in your rear tire once > > > it comes up to operating temperature, right? > > > > I know an experienced rider like you, riding a liter sportbike, knows > > > all this already. I'm just mentioning it because you did not mention > > > it in your whine^h^h^h^h^h post. > > > > > I was riding slowly along the bumpy back road yesterday when I saw the > > > > lights of a bunch of Harley riders behind me, so I moved to the right > > > > and let a dozen bikes pass me. > > > > > They were riding twice as fast as I could go, > > > > This is not a surprise in any way. > > > > > and I suspect that > > > > their balloon tires and softtail suspensions made for a much more > > > > comfortable ride than my sporty bike. > > > > Softtail suspension is notorious for its short travel, harsh spring > > > rates, and poor damping. > > > Hmmm, that's a shame as I thought the suspension on the Road King was > > pretty damn appropriate for its mission. Guess one needs to ride them > > all.. > > The FLH touring bikes do not have Softtail suspension. Hence my statement about needing to ride them all.
From: BryanUT on 10 Jun 2010 17:38 On Jun 10, 1:00 pm, "Tim M." <tomorrowaterolsdot...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 10, 2:34 pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older > > Gentleman) wrote: > > ? <breoganmacbr...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Why can't I get a *straight answer* to the original question: "Has > > > anybody ever been in a situation where they were tempted to *reduce* > > > air pressure in their tires for comfort during a ride?" > > > No > > Probably because you, along with everyone else following this trend, > down to and including the most RANK beginner, has NEVER misadjusted > their supension sp badly and/or ridden so inappropriately for the > conditions at hand as to have ever so much as contemplated that the > correct way to address the situation (of theor OWN making) was to do > something so marginal as change the air pressure in their tires. > > Everyone, that is, except the racist incompetent fool who started this > thread. Confession time. When I rode to PHX with Troy, I hadn't bothered to check the tire pressure on my bike. When we got to Bob's house he had a really cool pressure gauge and I decided I should check the pressure. Yep, right around 25 lbs in each tire, maybe less. 700 miles at fairly high speeds, I never even noticed. Yeah the steering was a bit slugish, but what the heck.
From: Tim M. on 10 Jun 2010 22:52 On Jun 10, 5:16 pm, saddlebag <saddle...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Jun 9, 10:23 pm, "Tim M." <tomorrowaterolsdot...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 9, 6:24 pm, saddlebag <saddle...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 8, 11:50 pm, "Tim M." <tomorrowaterolsdot...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 8, 1:15 pm, "?" <breoganmacbr...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > Has anybody ever been in a situation where they were tempted to > > > > > *reduce* air pressure in their tires for comfort during a ride? > > > > > > The recommended minimum air pressure and suspension settings > > > > > in my Yamaha FZR1000 owner's manual don't work for me. > > > > > > The area I live in has rather extreme temperature variations which I > > > > > doubt ever occur in Japan where the test riders must have > > > > > determined the recommended settings. > > > > > > It can be 55 degrees in the morning here and I set my rear tire > > > > > pressure to the minimum 36 psi recommended by the manual. > > > > > > I have the rear suspension preload backed off almost to the minimum. > > > > > Backing off any more will result in bottoming. > > > > > > By midafternoon, the temperature is up around 100 degrees and the > > > > > pavement temperature has to be at least 120 degrees. > > > > > > The rear tire pressure rises to 40 psi and the motorcycle becomes a > > > > > torture rack over the roughly paved county road that is the last 20 > > > > > miles of my route. > > > > > You do realize that you can reduce your tire pressure to 36psi after > > > > it has risen to 40psi, right? You do know that different tire guages > > > > give different readings, right? And you have checked yours to see > > > > that it is not reading 10 or 15% low, which is very common, and could > > > > mean that you are riding around with 44-46 psi in your rear tire once > > > > it comes up to operating temperature, right? > > > > > I know an experienced rider like you, riding a liter sportbike, knows > > > > all this already. I'm just mentioning it because you did not mention > > > > it in your whine^h^h^h^h^h post. > > > > > > I was riding slowly along the bumpy back road yesterday when I saw the > > > > > lights of a bunch of Harley riders behind me, so I moved to the right > > > > > and let a dozen bikes pass me. > > > > > > They were riding twice as fast as I could go, > > > > > This is not a surprise in any way. > > > > > > and I suspect that > > > > > their balloon tires and softtail suspensions made for a much more > > > > > comfortable ride than my sporty bike. > > > > > Softtail suspension is notorious for its short travel, harsh spring > > > > rates, and poor damping. > > > > Hmmm, that's a shame as I thought the suspension on the Road King was > > > pretty damn appropriate for its mission. Guess one needs to ride them > > > all.. > > > The FLH touring bikes do not have Softtail suspension. > > Hence my statement about needing to ride them all. Ah, gotcha. I misunderstood the context of your statement. Re- reading it, I see what you actually meant. Thanks for the clarification. Strike my comment.
From: Tim M. on 10 Jun 2010 22:50
On Jun 10, 4:23 pm, "Krusty Kritter" <CantRideNowAndNeverCould...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 10, 12:00 pm, "tomorrow(a)erols.com" > > <tomorrowaterolsdot...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Probably because you, along with everyone else following this trend, > > down to and including the most RANK beginner, has NEVER misadjusted > > their supension sp badly and/or ridden so inappropriately for the > > conditions at hand as to have ever so much as contemplated that the > > correct way to address the situation (of theor OWN making) was to do > > something so marginal as change the air pressure in their tires. > > > Everyone, that is, except the racist incompetent fool who started this > > thread. > > So. You *never* adjusted your air pressure at the racetrack to improve > traction, huh? No, I didn't. Of course, I had my suspension setup correctly shortly after learning how to race, and I always had the right tire pressures based on the tire vendor's recommendation, the advice of my sponsors, and the ambient and track temperatures. Besides, you weren't racing when the biker dudes on the Harley dressers left you for dead on the street while you were supposedly "riding" your FZR1000, were you, big mile eater? Oh, and you weren't worried about TRACTION, dumbass, you were worried about COMFORT: "Has anybody ever been in a situation where they were tempted to *reduce* air pressure in their tires for comfort during a ride?" Sheesh, you are embarrassing yourself even more than usual, something I thought wasn't possible. |