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From: Knobdoodle on 20 Oct 2007 03:03 "Peter Wyzl" <wyzelli(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Stats: > (I won't bother with finals, because arguably that says more about the > team, than individual brilliance, there being many players who have not > played in finals who have represented Australia in the same year.) > > First grade games : > AJ 249 (ret) DL 275 (still going) > Points : > AJ 2176 DL 1134 > Origin > AJ 23 games 96 points, DL 27 games 73 points > Australia > AJ 21 Games DL 36 games > > DL has certainly played more and has been more consistent at a very high > level (both have suffered from injuries), but look at the scoring. > > Now, I'm not suggesting that Darren is not a brilliant player, and I think > he is certainly one of the best of all time, but I think to call him 'The' > best of all time sadly misses the value of that player in the team. > > Joey holds the NRL record for most points in career, most points in a > season, most goals in a season, most field goals in a season, most tries > in a match (shared), most goals in a match, most points in a match, plus > club records of most appearances, most goals and most field goals. > > Both Joey and Darren are the only players to have won the golden boot more > than once, (hopefully DL can do it again), but Joey alone has won the > 'Dally M' 3 times. > > DL is the second highest kangaroos try scorer. > > So, while DL is a brilliant player, and certainly _one of_ the best, > points per game nobody comes remotely close to Joey (AJ over 8 points per > game and DL just over 4 lifetime average). > What's your point; that Johns likes to hog the ball and claim the glory whereas Locky stays back and feeds his team-mates? Just the fact that the totally NSW-centric NRL kept picking Locky over Johns as Kangaroo Captain says enough. Sure he's flashy and he's got a good boot but he's no-where near the complete footballer that Locky is. (On or OFF the paddock!) -- Clem
From: Peter Wyzl on 21 Oct 2007 03:44 "Knobdoodle" <knobdoodle(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:nLhSi.2215$CN4.1243(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > "Peter Wyzl" <wyzelli(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> Stats: >> (I won't bother with finals, because arguably that says more about the >> team, than individual brilliance, there being many players who have not >> played in finals who have represented Australia in the same year.) >> >> First grade games : >> AJ 249 (ret) DL 275 (still going) >> Points : >> AJ 2176 DL 1134 >> Origin >> AJ 23 games 96 points, DL 27 games 73 points >> Australia >> AJ 21 Games DL 36 games >> >> DL has certainly played more and has been more consistent at a very high >> level (both have suffered from injuries), but look at the scoring. >> >> Now, I'm not suggesting that Darren is not a brilliant player, and I >> think he is certainly one of the best of all time, but I think to call >> him 'The' best of all time sadly misses the value of that player in the >> team. >> >> Joey holds the NRL record for most points in career, most points in a >> season, most goals in a season, most field goals in a season, most tries >> in a match (shared), most goals in a match, most points in a match, plus >> club records of most appearances, most goals and most field goals. >> >> Both Joey and Darren are the only players to have won the golden boot >> more than once, (hopefully DL can do it again), but Joey alone has won >> the 'Dally M' 3 times. >> >> DL is the second highest kangaroos try scorer. >> >> So, while DL is a brilliant player, and certainly _one of_ the best, >> points per game nobody comes remotely close to Joey (AJ over 8 points per >> game and DL just over 4 lifetime average). >> > What's your point; that Johns likes to hog the ball and claim the glory > whereas Locky stays back and feeds his team-mates? > Just the fact that the totally NSW-centric NRL kept picking Locky over > Johns as Kangaroo Captain says enough. > Sure he's flashy and he's got a good boot but he's no-where near the > complete footballer that Locky is. (On or OFF the paddock!) You are not alone in your minority opinion. http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/top-10-rugby-league-players.asp And Captain says little if anything about football skills, rather about leadership skills. What does declining captaincy say? P
From: Knobdoodle on 22 Oct 2007 02:45 "Peter Wyzl" <wyzelli(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > You are not alone in your minority opinion. > > http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/top-10-rugby-league-players.asp > > And Captain says little if anything about football skills, rather about > leadership skills. What does declining captaincy say? > [shrug] That you'd prefer individual over team achievement? If NRL ever becomes a non-team sport maybe Johns will get a gong..... -- Clem
From: Peter Wyzl on 22 Oct 2007 06:00 "Knobdoodle" <knobdoodle(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:mGXSi.2915$CN4.1963(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > "Peter Wyzl" <wyzelli(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> You are not alone in your minority opinion. >> >> http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/top-10-rugby-league-players.asp >> >> And Captain says little if anything about football skills, rather about >> leadership skills. What does declining captaincy say? >> > [shrug] That you'd prefer individual over team achievement? > If NRL ever becomes a non-team sport maybe Johns will get a gong..... ROFL. _YOU_ made the claim that Lockyer was the greatest rugby league player of all time. Now you want to change that to he is the best team player? AJ has been continually referred to by many people in the footballing fraternity as the best of all time, over the last 5 years. I continue to support that view. His social problems do not downgrade his skills. I am happy to give DL second, though I actually think Langer was more of a game breaker than DL is. P
From: Knobdoodle on 22 Oct 2007 06:31
"Peter Wyzl" <wyzelli(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:%w_Si.2997$CN4.2277(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > "Knobdoodle" <knobdoodle(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:mGXSi.2915$CN4.1963(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... >> >> "Peter Wyzl" <wyzelli(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> You are not alone in your minority opinion. >>> >>> http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/top-10-rugby-league-players.asp >>> >>> And Captain says little if anything about football skills, rather about >>> leadership skills. What does declining captaincy say? >>> >> [shrug] That you'd prefer individual over team achievement? >> If NRL ever becomes a non-team sport maybe Johns will get a gong..... > > > ROFL. > > _YOU_ made the claim that Lockyer was the greatest rugby league player of > all time. Now you want to change that to he is the best team player? > [puzzled face] Well it is a team sport isn't it? How can a player be great if he can't work-with/lift/inspire his team?!!? Sure he can score some points but it's the team that wins or loses games. > > AJ has been continually referred to by many people in the footballing > fraternity as the best of all time, over the last 5 years. I continue to > support that view. His social problems do not downgrade his skills. > Many people in YOUR circle apparently! > > I am happy to give DL second, though I actually think Langer was more of a > game breaker than DL is. > We almost match there 'cause I rate Langer as a far better half-back than Johns too! (I doubt he's got the same individual stats though!) -- Clem |