XP: French/UK Insurance Catch 22
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From: Ace on 22 Dec 2008 16:34 On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:04:59 +0000, totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote: >Ace <b.rogers(a)ifrance.com> wrote: > >> >As has been said here, dog did it with his missus's Baby Blade, and the >> >hassle was amazing. >> >> But only cos it was never homlogated in France. > >True. But I think you still have to make a UK model of a bike sold in >France conform to "French rules." Which are not the same as "EU rules". Well yeah, if it's (as you've already stated) above 106cv, but other than that I don't think so.
From: The Older Gentleman on 22 Dec 2008 16:37 Ace <b.rogers(a)ifrance.com> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:04:59 +0000, totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk > (The Older Gentleman) wrote: > > >Ace <b.rogers(a)ifrance.com> wrote: > > > >> >As has been said here, dog did it with his missus's Baby Blade, and the > >> >hassle was amazing. > >> > >> But only cos it was never homlogated in France. > > > >True. But I think you still have to make a UK model of a bike sold in > >France conform to "French rules." Which are not the same as "EU rules". > > Well yeah, if it's (as you've already stated) above 106cv, but other > than that I don't think so. Yes, sorry, I was thinking of "over 106bhp". -- BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XTZ660 Tenere Honda CB400F CB125RS SH50 If you don't know what you're doing, don't do it. Workshop manual? Buy one instead of asking where the free PDFs are chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
From: Mike Ricketts on 23 Dec 2008 05:16 "Ace" <b.rogers(a)ifrance.com> wrote in message news:kvvvk45elba9u524asks06e9u984gmth3g(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:02:57 +0000, totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk > (The Older Gentleman) wrote: > >>Mike <kinsarvik(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> Presumably a bike you purchased for your own use would be >>> treated as a 'personal import' though. >>> >>> Is it subject to type approval and all that. >> >>You have *no idea*.... >> >>As has been said here, dog did it with his missus's Baby Blade, and the >>hassle was amazing. > > But only cos it was never homlogated in France. > > Of course, I never re-registered our vehicles in France, leaving some > (the 400/4) on UK plates and the others, that got used regularly on > both sides of the border, on Swiss ones. > > But I've always had the impression that it'd be no more difficult in > France than it was in CH, and that was really no big deal at all. > > I think a lot of the "hassle" here is the paperwork that is required by any government department/official agency, that you would not need or expect to have to present in the UK. It is normal to be required to present ID (Passport or Carte de Sejour for non-French nationals) plus a justicatif (proof of where you live - EDF or France Telecom Landline Utility Bill, normally not more than 3 months old) for almost anything. When I moved here from the Narbonne area I had to re-register the car because I had changed Departements. I went to the Sous-Prefecture with my documents but could not produce the Utility Justicatif because I had not had any yet. Instead we compromised, I had a copy of my employers contract and lease and a copy of my employment contract that stated that I lived "on site". After consulting with higher management, photocopies of these documents were taken and accepted as my justicatif. Having been here a while, I knew that I would need all sorts of things, so had taken them with me. Had I just arrived from the UK, I would not have had a clue and a simple task would probably have taken 3 visits, much frustration and a carbon footprint the size of a Yeti. I actually have one of those folders of plastic sleeves and have photocopies of my and hers Birth Certificates, Marriage Certificate, Attestation of Health Care entitlement, Employment Contract, Copies of 3 months payslips, Copy of last Income Tax Notice, Copy of Vehicle Docs, Copy of Passports, Copies of Utility Bills, Copy of Bank Details, Copy of Driving Licence, Copy of Carte de Sejour. You get used to it because it is the only way to get things done and it is not just because I am not French, a French National has to produce just as much. In many cases I think that I have been treated better by civil servants because I am not French and they can see I am doing my best. They can be very brusque with their own nationals who "should have known what documents they would need". Mike
From: Colin Irvine on 23 Dec 2008 05:22 On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:16:46 +0100, Mike Ricketts squeezed out the following: >I think a lot of the "hassle" here is the paperwork that is required by any >government department/official agency, that you would not need or expect to >have to present in the UK. <big snip> I see what you mean. -- Colin Irvine ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk
From: Ace on 23 Dec 2008 11:27
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:16:46 +0100, "Mike Ricketts" <kinsarvik(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >"Ace" <b.rogers(a)ifrance.com> wrote in message >news:kvvvk45elba9u524asks06e9u984gmth3g(a)4ax.com... >> But I've always had the impression that it'd be no more difficult in >> France than it was in CH, and that was really no big deal at all. >> >> >I think a lot of the "hassle" here is the paperwork that is required by any >government department/official agency, that you would not need or expect to >have to present in the UK. Maybe. Same in CH, really. >It is normal to be required to present ID (Passport or Carte de Sejour for >non-French nationals) plus a justicatif (proof of where you live - EDF or >France Telecom Landline Utility Bill, normally not more than 3 months old) >for almost anything. Really? Not IME. Depends what you're talking about, of course, and as I said I've not done the whole re-registering vehicles thing, but I did have to dedounier the Swiss-bought gixxer thou and J's Puegeot some years back. (As we do actually live in France as well as CH). Anyway, I've never been asked for French ID in France, and I struggle to imagine what I'd need it for. I think I may have needed a utilities bill when I first took out my mobile phone contract, but even that I'm not sure about. >When I moved here from the Narbonne area I had to re-register the car >because I had changed Departements. I went to the Sous-Prefecture with my >documents but could not produce the Utility Justicatif because I had not had >any yet. Instead we compromised, I had a copy of my employers contract and >lease and a copy of my employment contract that stated that I lived "on >site". After consulting with higher management, photocopies of these >documents were taken and accepted as my justicatif. Ah well. Official beaurocracy of that type I've usually managed to avoid :-) >You get used to it because it is the only way to get things done and it is >not just because I am not French, a French National has to produce just as >much. In CH all the various organs of State share their information, together with officially-required stuff like insurance. So for example you don't need an insurance certificate - it's recorded on your car's Carte Gris, and if you fail to renew the Insco tells the police, who do all the DVLA stuff, and they'll start getting nasty and eventually come round and remove your licence plates. >In many cases I think that I have been treated better by civil >servants because I am not French and they can see I am doing my best. They >can be very brusque with their own nationals who "should have known what >documents they would need". I can imagine. |