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From: Nev.. on 2 Feb 2010 05:28 G-S wrote: > Peter wrote: >> >> Have I mentioned how much I am enjoying the DR650? >> >> :-P > > More and more motorcyclists are buying dual purpose bikes because of the > increasingly strict rules along formerly popular riding roads > close(ish) to major cities. > > That doesn't do the traders in the towns along those roads (or the > economies of those small tourist towns) much good though... All of the small towns in the hills around Melbourne have been ruined by the bushfires last year. Places which were once popular destinations for motorcyclists but unknown (not a tourist destination) by the general population, like Kinglake, have now been overrun with bloody tourists, stickybeaks and do-gooders. Cars clog the roads to and from the township, and all of the available parking spaces, they've had to install traffic lights in the main street, lower the speed limits. I'm sure they're reaping the benefits of the newfound trade, but i keep well clear of the place nowadays. For bikes, the place is a non-destination now. With a bit of luck in a few months time when the countryside has regrown and the houses are rebuilt it will no longer be a zoo and people will stay home and get their bloody cars off the roads. Nev.. '08 DL1000K8
From: Moike on 2 Feb 2010 06:32 Kevin Gleeson wrote: > On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:37:52 GMT, Kevin Gleeson > <kevingleeson(a)imagine-it.com.au> wrote: > >> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:09:33 GMT, "George W Frost" >> <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> "Kevin Gleeson" <kevingleeson(a)imagine-it.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:835fm5plaa6e1b7csgmf77t8kqjdp90ub7(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:01:17 GMT, "George W Frost" >>>> <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Kevin Gleeson" <kevingleeson(a)imagine-it.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:i00fm5lp3cmg7uu67tua5giaskfmrsqan7(a)4ax.com... >>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:43:47 GMT, "George W Frost" >> Snipperoony >> >>>>> Being a bit picky, but there isn't a direct way from the Hume to Calder >>>>> Park Raceway >>>>> >>>>> Unless of coarse, you are coming down from Sydney >>>>> >>>> You are being picky. The last time I went to Calder was probably 24 >>>> years ago. I haven't looked at a map but thought it was the same road >>>> out that way. If it isn't it's one just as boring. >>> It's my job to be picky..... >>> But, it is still the same road as it was 24 years ago and doesn't go >>> anywhere near the Hume Highway >> Well there ya go. 24 years and too many beers had them in the same >> place in my mind. >> >> <Wanders off to Googlemaps> >> >> Well looky there. Guess I never went north when I was living here >> much. My point still stands that they are similar boring bits of >> road. > > Actually, looking at that map has brought back some memories. When CDs > first started coming out there was an amazing store out in Keilor that > a mate and I would ride over to regularly to stock up on. 1985 this > would have been. I recall a small shopping centre that had a record > store that had (for its day) a massive collection of CDs. Every pay > day, off to Keilor :-) Would that be the (original?) JB HiFi store? Shopping centre around a square park. Moike
From: Diogenes on 2 Feb 2010 07:03 On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:22:38 +1100, G-S <geoff(a)castbus.com.au> wrote: >Diogenes wrote: >> >> D'oh, Marts, it might have something to do with an obscure, esoteric, >> rarely discussed phenomenon called THE HOON FACTOR. >> >> If you require elucidation of this, please let me know and I'lll be >> only too happy to explain. But no doubt. The Joint Chief Obfucsators >> of Ozmoto, the Right Honorable G-S and Zebee One Ryobi will offer >> fifteen thousand other faux logical "reasons" for what is happening. >What makes you think I doubt it is the 'hoon factor' the was the >justification for the changes to the speed limits in the area? Only your propensity for obfuscation. ;-) >I'm not denying that at all. OK then. >What I am saying is that the changes the gumbiment made will drive >legitimate motorcyclists away from the area as well as the dangerous >hoons (that the law was aimed at) and that the local tourist towns will >suffer from reduced passing trade as a result. Agreed. >Me? I used to be happy to bend swing gently back and forth in the >tightish corners at around the speed limit and use the occasional short >straight to zip past slower cars. >Now It's 80kph and not 100kph and I can't pass the slow cars on the >straights without breaking the law. >That's taken an enjoyable ride and made it boring so I won't bother >going and the same will apply to many other riders. Yep. >The government would have done better to have found a way to target >dangerously speeding riders without driving away just about all the rest >of the motorbikes as well. And what proposals can you offer the gummint? Hoons are an elusive crowd. You target one area, they go to another. Nothing seems to deter them anyway. They are irresponsible adrenalin junkies with overblown egoes and reptilian brians. I can't see any program that would be effective in dealing with them short of something drakonian. So, unfortunately as is the case with so many other things, the innocent get inconvenienced because of the guilty. I've been in this newsgroup now for about 15 years and I have yet to see the more rational motorcyclists come out and denounce the hoons for spoiling it for the the rest. They whinge about the authorities but they won't whinge about the hoons who brought it all upon us. It's bullshit. Same with the cops clamping down on the criminal and thuggish elements in the motorcycle gangs. The clubbies won't (or can't) clean up their clubs' membership, but then they whinge like a bunch of little kids when the cops step in to do it for them. It's rubbish. And again, the motorcycling community at large sympathises with the crims and the thugs, and you wonder why the public sees bikers as scum. Ahhhhh that feels MUCH better... :-) ================= Onya bike Gerry
From: Moike on 2 Feb 2010 16:16 Diogenes wrote: > On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:22:38 +1100, G-S <geoff(a)castbus.com.au> wrote: > >> The government would have done better to have found a way to target >> dangerously speeding riders without driving away just about all the rest >> of the motorbikes as well. > > And what proposals can you offer the gummint? Well for a start, there was already in place a reasonable speed limit on the road. Applying some manpower to enforce the existing laws would presumably allow them to tackle the high-speed hoons. Lowering the speed limit and altering the road marking laws to prohibit overtaking simply enables the enforcement effort to trap people who are riding in a sensible, and until recently, perfectly legal manner. The problem is, hoons are hardly going to be operating in the (newly illegal) 80-100 range. If increased enforcement of the existing rules didn't improve safety, why would enforcing lower limits have any effect except to lift the catch-rate (and so enable a claim of increased 'effectiveness'? Moike
From: Diogenes on 2 Feb 2010 17:32
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:16:56 +1100, Moike <bmwmoike(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Diogenes wrote: >> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:22:38 +1100, G-S <geoff(a)castbus.com.au> wrote: >> > >>> The government would have done better to have found a way to target >>> dangerously speeding riders without driving away just about all the rest >>> of the motorbikes as well. >> >> And what proposals can you offer the gummint? >Well for a start, there was already in place a reasonable speed limit on >the road. Applying some manpower to enforce the existing laws would >presumably allow them to tackle the high-speed hoons. And this has worked where exactly? >Lowering the speed limit and altering the road marking laws to prohibit >overtaking simply enables the enforcement effort to trap people who are >riding in a sensible, and until recently, perfectly legal manner. So you're saying that it's all an evil, antisocial plan to trap the innocent whilst turning a blind eye to the guilty? You don't think that's a bit of a skewed view of reality? >The problem is, hoons are hardly going to be operating in the (newly >illegal) 80-100 range. Oh? So what's all this I read about motoryclists having deserted the area in droves? Anecdotal evidence goes against your theory it seems. Also, it could be argued that these new restrictions mean that when a hoon is caught doing his/her "thang", there are now more serious charges (and higher fines) which can be brought to bear. >If increased enforcement of the existing rules didn't improve safety, >why would enforcing lower limits have any effect except to lift the >catch-rate (and so enable a claim of increased 'effectiveness'? Read my previous comment above. ================= Onya bike Gerry |