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From: hippo on 7 Feb 2010 01:23 Nev.. wrote: > > G-S wrote: > > Nev.. wrote: > >> > >> If people don't know what they are doing when they enter the polling > >> booth that is not a problem with the voting system. If it is a > >> failing, it is a failing of the education of voters, not of the system > >> of voting. > > > > You don't regard the 'education of voters in how to vote' as part of the > > 'voting system'? > > No. The voters need to be educated about how voting works regardless of > the system. Are you saying we should dumb down the system of election > to the lowest common denominator just so that the people will understand > how their vote counts, while at the same time shifting to a system which > less represents their wishes? The whole concept is incomprehensible to > me because I can't understand how people could be asked to number boxes > from 1 to n in their order of preference, and yet not understand that > they were numbering boxes from 1 to n in their order of preference. It > doesn't sound like rocket science to me. Maybe we should only let > people who understand how voting works, vote, which unfortunately for > you will remove your right to a vote, based on what you've posted in > this thread :) > > Nev.. > '08 DL1000K8 > > The alternative practiced in numerous places over the years is: 1/ Vote for me, or 2/ Stand against this wall sunshine On reflection, I'll take our version; flawed though it may be. -- Posted at www.usenet.com.au
From: G-S on 7 Feb 2010 02:31 Nev.. wrote: > I can't understand how people could be asked to number boxes > from 1 to n in their order of preference, and yet not understand that > they were numbering boxes from 1 to n in their order of preference. Really? From what I remember of the 'how to vote' instruction cards handed out at the election booths they clearly said to vote for the senate using a single number in a box above the line. That doesn't sound much like 1 to n to me... G-S
From: G-S on 7 Feb 2010 02:31 Nev.. wrote: > G-S wrote: >> Marts wrote: >>> G-S wrote... >>> >>>> I have private health care and so do all my family, I haven't used >>>> the public health system in over 20 years. >>> >>> You would have. For example, every time you pulled out your Medicare >>> card. Or if >>> you're admitted to the ED, which is paid for by Medicare. >> >> I haven't been to an emergency department in over 20 years. >> >> The only times I've been in hospital in more than 20 years I've been >> in private hospital. >> >>> And the PBS for prescription drugs. >> >> I actually am on regular prescriptions, plus aspirin. >> >> None of the prescriptions I am on are on the PBS (although there are >> less effective alternatives that are in the PBS list) and aspirin I >> buy over the counter. >> >> Try again... > > LOL. Are you naive enough to think that when you attend a private > hospital, they don't claim 100% of your Medicare entitlement on your > behalf? LOL. I never said the private hospital hadn't benefited from public health, I said I had not. G-S
From: G-S on 7 Feb 2010 02:37 Nev.. wrote: > Andrew wrote: >> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:06:44 +1100, G-S wrote: >> >>> Andrew wrote: >>>> If you buy one, it is because you want those two things, or you want >>>> people to think you want those two things. Either way, you're a hoon. >>>> Even if you never do a wheelie on your litre-class sports bike, and you >>>> always stick to speed limits, you're still a hoon. >>>> >>>> >>> I have to disagree with that. >>> >>> If a person never speeds, never wheelies, never breaks the law and rides >>> a litre-class sports bike they are NOT a hoon. >>> >>> They no doubt want people to think they are a hoon (or the 2nd coming of >>> M Doohan) but that doesn't make them one. >>> >>> At best they are FAIL at hoon... >>> >>> >>> G-S >> >> Would you settle for 'wannabe' hoon? Nobody buys a sports bike for its >> touring capability, or its baggage handling, or its ground clearance. >> The fact that the rider doesn't behave like a hoon doesn't alter the >> motivation for the purchase. > > Most of my motivation for buying highpowered sports bikes has been being > comfort and laziness. Whats going to happen is you're going to have to > define sports bike and hoon to within a very narrow definition and the > real world will trip you over with diversity. So lets start by defining > 'sportsbike'. > > Nev.. > '08 DL1000K8 People can be hoons without having 'sports bikes' just as people might not be hoons that have them. You I'd suggest are a mild hoon :) G-S
From: Kevin Gleeson on 7 Feb 2010 02:35
On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 04:28:37 +0000 (UTC), am9obmhAc2hvYWwubmV0LmF1(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au (hippo) wrote: >Kevin Gleeson wrote: >> >> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:44:46 +1100, G-S <geoff(a)castbus.com.au> wrote: >> >> >Nev.. wrote: >> >> G-S wrote: >> >>> Nev.. wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> .. The least voted against >> >>>> candidate wins. You really can't respect the intent of all of the >> >>>> voters much more than that. >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> In the house of representatives that's probably the case, but in the >> >>> senate preference deals and 1 box above the line voting can see >> >>> candidates that are much less popular (both in the voted for and voted >> >>> against senses of the term) elected. >> >>> >> >>> I can't remember the exact numbers but a fundie got elected to the >> >>> senate last election with something like 50 or 60 thousand votes and a >> >>> green candidate with several hundred thousand votes standing against >> >>> him didn't get elected. >> >>> >> >>> That's an artificial distortion... >> >> >> >> I'm quite confused now, because in this very thread when Theo said "I'm >> >> for proportional voting" you said "Yah me too..." and proportional >> >> voting is indeed the method of voting which the Senate uses, and yet now >> >> you seem to think that this is a bad thing. Please explain. >> >> >> > >> >I'm for proportional voting and against preferential voting. >> > >> >So I'd like to see a government with proportional voting and without >> >preferences, because preferences distort the result so that the largest >> >proportion of voters chosen representative doesn't get elected. >> > >> >I'm also against small regions being used to elect members, I'd rather >> >see state based numbers used. That way minor parties who have (as an >> >example) 10% of the vote end up with 10% of the seats. >> > >> >In the current system a 3rd party can get well over 10% of the vote and >> >not win a single seat in the lower house. >> > >> >That also seems an artificial distortion to me. >> >> Checked out the Hare-Clark voting system used in Tas? It balances out >> things nicely without giving the financially big parties too much >> leash. >> >> > >Yebbut.... you still have a distortion in that whoever forms a government >still has to rely on the Federl Gumment to balance the books :) I was referring to the Hare-Clarke system as being something that I'd like to see in federal elections. Probably didn't make that clear I spose. |