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From: theo on 7 Feb 2010 21:57 On Feb 6, 8:59 pm, "Nev.." <id...(a)mindless.com> wrote: > AFAIR above the line wasn't introduced to make it easier or harder for > the big parties to get more votes, it was to make life easier for people > who were just going to follow the how to vote cards distributed by the > parties,... ie, people who weren't going to make an independant decision > on where there preferences were given anyway. It actually looks like > the system is working perfectly. It's the McDonalds menu vote, except that McDonalds include pictures for the illiterate. Pick a meal. Theo
From: theo on 7 Feb 2010 21:58 On Feb 7, 5:22 am, Diogenes <cy...(a)society.sux.ok> wrote: > On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:59:21 +1100, "Nev.." <id...(a)mindless.com> > wrote: > > >If people don't know what they are doing when they enter the polling > >booth that is not a problem with the voting system. > > It is if the system is way too complex. And it is. And that is > deliberate. It's not a democracy, it's a con game. I'm agreeing with Gerry. Who'd have thought? Theo
From: theo on 7 Feb 2010 22:01 On Feb 7, 7:03 am, G-S <ge...(a)castbus.com.au> wrote: > Marts wrote: > > G-S wrote... > > >> I have private health care and so do all my family, I haven't used the > >> public health system in over 20 years. > > > You would have. For example, every time you pulled out your Medicare card. Or if > > you're admitted to the ED, which is paid for by Medicare. > > I haven't been to an emergency department in over 20 years. > > The only times I've been in hospital in more than 20 years I've been in > private hospital. > > > And the PBS for prescription drugs. > > I actually am on regular prescriptions, plus aspirin. > > None of the prescriptions I am on are on the PBS (although there are > less effective alternatives that are in the PBS list) and aspirin I buy > over the counter. Ever been to a GP Geoff? Theo
From: Pietro on 7 Feb 2010 22:11 "theo" <theodoreb(a)bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:8fdcfeb4-5f9a-4335-9902-353fb084f3bb(a)v20g2000prb.googlegroups.com... On Feb 6, 5:48 pm, "Nev.." <id...(a)mindless.com> wrote: > G-S wrote: > > So I'd like to see a government with proportional voting and without > > preferences, because preferences distort the result so that the largest > > proportion of voters chosen representative doesn't get elected. > > Not true at all. I think you don't know how preferential voting works. > The preferences give you a second chance, and a third chance, and a > fourth chance. If your preferred candidate didn't get enough votes to > win the seat outright, why wouldn't you want your second choice getting > your vote, and if they can't win, why wouldn't you want your third > choice to get your vote? The least voted against candidate wins. That is part of the problem. You get the person you least object to, rather than the person you want. So what? What if most people actually wanted that representative? Isn't that how democracy works? Do you know how every other voter in the electorate voted? Pietro
From: theo on 7 Feb 2010 22:41
On Feb 8, 11:11 am, "Pietro" <no...(a)dontbesilly.com> wrote: > "theo" <theodo...(a)bigpond.com.au> wrote in message > > news:8fdcfeb4-5f9a-4335-9902-353fb084f3bb(a)v20g2000prb.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 6, 5:48 pm, "Nev.." <id...(a)mindless.com> wrote: > > > G-S wrote: > > > So I'd like to see a government with proportional voting and without > > > preferences, because preferences distort the result so that the largest > > > proportion of voters chosen representative doesn't get elected. > > > Not true at all. I think you don't know how preferential voting works. > > The preferences give you a second chance, and a third chance, and a > > fourth chance. If your preferred candidate didn't get enough votes to > > win the seat outright, why wouldn't you want your second choice getting > > your vote, and if they can't win, why wouldn't you want your third > > choice to get your vote? The least voted against candidate wins. > > That is part of the problem. You get the person you least object to, > rather than the person you want. > > So what? What if most people actually wanted that representative? Isn't > that how democracy works? Do you know how every other voter in the > electorate voted? Well yes, I do. And you can too. it's all there on http://www.aec.gov.au/ Theo |