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From: Nev.. on 11 Feb 2010 05:06 G-S wrote: > bikerbetty wrote: > >> >> British MPs have backed holding a referendum on whether to scrap the >> country's first-past-the-post voting system and move towards a >> preferential voting system similar to that used in Australia. >> >> The move would be the biggest electoral shake up in the UK in >> generations. >> > > The pollies have realised that the Australian system gives them more > power and the people less and are eyeing the Australian system with some > relish... The incumbents been in power in the UK for 13 years. I don't think they need to find ways of gaining power. :) Nev.. '08 DL1000K8
From: G-S on 11 Feb 2010 05:37 Nev.. wrote: > G-S wrote: >> Nev.. wrote: >>> G-S wrote: >>>> Nev.. wrote: >>>>> theo wrote: >>>>>> On Feb 10, 7:01 pm, "Nev.." <id...(a)mindless.com> wrote: >>>>>>> G-S wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am in favour of proportional representation when it's used >>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>> preferences (which I mentioned earlier :) [1] >>>>>>> So you only a system which gives unfair advantage to the election of >>>>>>> candidates from the major political parties, and in which some >>>>>>> votes are >>>>>>> never counted towards the election of a candidate. Some people (ok, >>>>>>> maybe just Theo) complain that the current system of voting already >>>>>>> gives the major parties an unfair advantage. Yours would only >>>>>>> make it >>>>>>> worse. >>>>>> >>>>>> How? Proportional voting, as practiced in some European countries, >>>>>> has >>>>>> no preferences. Your party, or independent, gets 1% of the primary >>>>>> vote in a 100 seat parliament, you get one seat. You get 20% of the >>>>>> vote, you get 20 seats. You get no votes, you get to go home.What is >>>>>> so difficult or unfair about that? Sure, it is more likely that one >>>>>> party will not have an absolute majority, so they would have to learn >>>>>> to work together, just like they were taught in Kindy, but have long >>>>>> since forgotten. Would that be a bad thing? And yes, they regularly >>>>>> elect independents. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure it works very nicely when you use natural numbers, but >>>>> much earlier in this thread you said something about 6.8% of the >>>>> vote going to independants. If they get 6.8% of the seats in a 100 >>>>> seat parliment, where do the votes of the .8% of the voters go? >>>>> Round down and you throw votes away. Round up and you're electing >>>>> candidates using votes which were not cast for them. I thought you >>>>> said your system was more representative and democratic? >>>>> >>>>> How can independants get a significant % of the vote unless they >>>>> group themselves on the ballot in the same way the party candidates >>>>> are grouped? If they were listed separately they would be at a far >>>>> disadvantage to the parties, if grouped, how does the voter know >>>>> which independant they're voting for? >>>> >>>> Independants get a significant proportion of the vote now and don't >>>> get a seat. >>>> >>>> In Theo's example the Greens would have about 8 seats and the Dems a >>>> couple of seats and the Libs and Labor would have the rest. >>> >>> What? No independant members of parliament despite getting a >>> significant proportion of the vote? That doesn't sound anything like >>> the system that Theo described. Are you sure you understand how your >>> preferred voting system works? >> >> Are you sure you understood what I wrote Nev? >> >> Because that statement doesn't make sense (it sounds like you've read >> what I wrote backwards...) > > It sounds like you don't know what independent means. Are you > suggesting that the members of the Greens Party and the Democrats Party > are "independant". The first line of the wiki entry for "Independent > (politician)" sums it up. In politics, an independent is a politician > who is not affiliated with any political party. > > Nev.. > '08 DL1000K8 Ahhh I see where the confusion comes from. I wasn't using the term 'independant' as a definitive, I just meant 'not a dependant of one or other of the 2 major parties'. And yes I wasn't at all clear... my bad. G-S
From: G-S on 11 Feb 2010 05:38 Nev.. wrote: > G-S wrote: >> bikerbetty wrote: >> >>> >>> British MPs have backed holding a referendum on whether to scrap the >>> country's first-past-the-post voting system and move towards a >>> preferential voting system similar to that used in Australia. >>> >>> The move would be the biggest electoral shake up in the UK in >>> generations. >>> >> >> The pollies have realised that the Australian system gives them more >> power and the people less and are eyeing the Australian system with >> some relish... > > The incumbents been in power in the UK for 13 years. I don't think they > need to find ways of gaining power. :) > > Nev.. > '08 DL1000K8 Power is like a drug... more and more is required as time goes by. G-S
From: atec 77 "atec on 11 Feb 2010 07:27 bikerbetty wrote: > "CrazyCam" <CrazyCam(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > news:4b73208f$0$32748$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... >> atec 77 wrote: >>> CrazyCam wrote: >>>> Andrew wrote: >> <snip> >> >>>>> Did you ride a Daytona 675 before buying the Striple? >>>>> >>>> Ride one? <snigger> >>>> >>>> I couldn't even sit on one in the showroom and reach the bars! >>>> >>> I am guessing you are 6ft or better ? >> Err, no. >> >> I used to be 5'10" before the operation, nowadays, perhaps 5'9". >> >> The operation resulted in bits of my back being stuck together, and thus, >> not being bendy like they are supposed to be. I wonder if it was a good idea , my last surgeon claimed I needed it , (now 6.4"just )he was wrong so I have pain but things bend like they should Shame you couldn't wait as these days the yanks are growing new hips and knees so vertebrae will happen ( metal ones already do) >> >> Because of this, most any sports bike is just too hard for me to ride, >> even "soft" imitation sports bikes, like say an R1100S, isn't very comfy >> for me. So you get up and beg basically which tends to catch a lot of wind ? >> >>> I have tried riding one and it has to be built for the Bettys of the >>> world >> I haven't met the lovely Betty, but I'd be very surprised if she is >> sufficiently deformed to find a Daytona comfortable. >> > > >
From: CrazyCam on 11 Feb 2010 16:06
bikerbetty wrote: <snip> > Nor is she tall enough or long-legged enough to find one rideable. > > I haven't yet found a Triumph that I can sit on and touch the ground > properly. One of these days I'll get around to trying one of the new > Bonnevilles for size... Don't you fit the Street Triple? The Bonnies have very low seats, lovely style and go pretty well, but they are also surprisingly heavy. Perhaps, at some time in the future, when I get _really_ geriatric, I'll get one of them. regards, CrazyCam |