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From: Nev.. on 12 Feb 2010 07:10 G-S wrote: > Nev.. wrote: >> theo wrote: >>> On Feb 11, 3:49 pm, "Nev.." <id...(a)mindless.com> wrote: >>> >>>> It sounds like you don't know what independent means. Are you >>>> suggesting that the members of the Greens Party and the Democrats Party >>>> are "independant". The first line of the wiki entry for "Independent >>>> (politician)" sums it up. In politics, an independent is a politician >>>> who is not affiliated with any political party. >>> >>> And doesn't owe any other party for their preferences? >> >> You've probably voted once or twice. You know how it works. Don't >> pretend that someone else chooses your preferences for you. Haven't >> we already gone through this? All this talk of preference deals is a >> non-issue. Voters choose their own preferences in the voting booth. >> > > We went through it yes, but you still aren't admitting that the major > parties do 'de facto' choose the preferences of everyone who votes above > the line. That is very nice. There is no law requiring anyone to vote above the line, therefore voting above the line argument is irrelevant. We have already been through that. :) Nev.. '08 DL1000K8
From: Zebee Johnstone on 12 Feb 2010 19:00 In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:13:39 +1100 CrazyCam <CrazyCam(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Yup, it was the man ...oops... person handling of the bike in tight > spaces and awkward parking spots that I meant. > > Once going the steering is sweet. Most modernish big bikes are like that: awkward to push, fine to ride. Hence learning to move it with your hip not the handlebar. Surprised a couple of friends when I moved the Norge out of the garage by leaning it on my hip and gesturing with one hand as it and I moved backwards. Zebee - who notes the gesture was not what you all are thinking. Minds out of the gutter boys!
From: JohnO on 12 Feb 2010 21:29 On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 06:51:06 GMT, Andrew <amckNOSPAM3047(a)telNOSPAMstra.com> wrote: >On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:24:48 -0800, bikerbetty wrote: > > >> >> As for Bonnies being heavy - heavy to steer or heavy to pick up? Well, >> either would be a pain, I suppose. back to the drawing board ;-) >> >> betty the realist > >A Suzuki SV650S has a curb weight of 196kg according to Suzuki, and I >think you need to add a bit for oil and fuel if Suzuki are being typical >for the Japanese manufacturers - call it 220kg wet. A Bonnie has a wet >weight of 225kg, so I'd say there's next to nothing in it. Curb weight is ready to ride. Dry weight of the SV650s is 169kg (according to wiki). >He probably meant heavy to push, like if you go nose in to the kerb and >have to push out with your feet. Bonnies have famously light and >responsive steering. > >Of course, he might have meant heavy to hold up in a stiff breeze. :-) JohnO <but I could be wrong> Beer?
From: Andrew on 12 Feb 2010 23:16 On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:59:29 +1030, JohnO wrote: > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 06:51:06 GMT, Andrew > <amckNOSPAM3047(a)telNOSPAMstra.com> wrote: > >>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:24:48 -0800, bikerbetty wrote: >> >> >> >>> As for Bonnies being heavy - heavy to steer or heavy to pick up? Well, >>> either would be a pain, I suppose. back to the drawing board ;-) >>> >>> betty the realist >> >>A Suzuki SV650S has a curb weight of 196kg according to Suzuki, and I >>think you need to add a bit for oil and fuel if Suzuki are being typical >>for the Japanese manufacturers - call it 220kg wet. A Bonnie has a wet >>weight of 225kg, so I'd say there's next to nothing in it. > > Curb weight is ready to ride. Dry weight of the SV650s is 169kg > (according to wiki). > >>He probably meant heavy to push, like if you go nose in to the kerb and >>have to push out with your feet. Bonnies have famously light and >>responsive steering. >> >>Of course, he might have meant heavy to hold up in a stiff breeze. :-) > > JohnO <but I could be wrong> > > Beer? No, you're right. So a Bonnie is 15% heavier than a SV650S. That's quite a bit. So Cam was right too. May be it's the riding position too - on the Bonnie it's old-school straight up and down, whereas on the SV it's more lean forward, weight on the wrists. -- Regards Andrew
From: CrazyCam on 13 Feb 2010 01:06
Zebee Johnstone wrote: > In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:13:39 +1100 > CrazyCam <CrazyCam(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> Yup, it was the man ...oops... person handling of the bike in tight >> spaces and awkward parking spots that I meant. >> >> Once going the steering is sweet. > > > Most modernish big bikes are like that: awkward to push, fine to ride. Yup! > Hence learning to move it with your hip not the handlebar. Actually, that aspect of moving a bike is taught in the NSW pre-learner course. Very few folk actually notice it, and remember it, but <shrug> they were taught it. > Surprised > a couple of friends when I moved the Norge out of the garage by > leaning it on my hip and gesturing with one hand as it and I moved > backwards. > > Zebee > - who notes the gesture was not what you all are thinking. Minds out > of the gutter boys! Regardless of the gesture, Zebee, the trouble is that you have been riding, and thinking about riding, long enough to be able to apply logic to what you do with a motorcycle. ;-) You make a mockery of telling learners that it's good if they can get both feet on the ground, sitting on their motorbike. For many relatively new riders, parking in an empty space is sufficient.... and they'll worry about how they get out of the space when they need to. More experienced riders tend to think a bit further ahead. regards, CrazyCam |