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From: Diogenes on 3 Feb 2010 05:19
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 01:07:05 -0800 (PST), theo
I'll make it easy for you , Theo:
>> >> I think an _intelligent_ reader would have deduced that I was not not
>> >> saying that you, personally, were a hoon. �Go back and do Engish
>> >> Comprehension 101 _again_, will you, please, there's a good lad...
>> >Are you saying Geoff inferred? I thought you implied.
>> Geoff WAS inferring. �I was NOT implying he, personally, was a hoon,
>> and you, GO AWAY !!! �;-)
>You just failed English Comprehension 101 Gerry. "I thought you
>implied" translates to "I inferred". :-)
Since it was YOU who said "I thought you implied", it was YOU who
inferred. And, ergo, it was YOU who failed English Comprehension 101.
But since you're a Holl�nder, we'll forgive you. ;-)
From: Nev.. on 3 Feb 2010 05:48
> Hoons are an elusive crowd. You target one area, they go to another.
> Nothing seems to deter them anyway. They are irresponsible adrenalin
> junkies with overblown egoes and reptilian brians. I can't see any
> program that would be effective in dealing with them short of
> something drakonian. So, unfortunately as is the case with so many
> other things, the innocent get inconvenienced because of the guilty.
> I've been in this newsgroup now for about 15 years and I have yet to
> see the more rational motorcyclists come out and denounce the hoons
> for spoiling it for the the rest. They whinge about the authorities
> but they won't whinge about the hoons who brought it all upon us.
> It's bullshit.
Who exactly are the hoons you speak of? Until recently, when the laws
changed regarding solid white lines down the centre of roads, it was
perfectly legal to overtake a slower moving vehicle on a straight
stretch of some roads at 100kph. To do the same at 105kph probably
wouldn't have caused the police to give you a second glance.
Now, with the stroke of a pen on some legislation, and a few road signs
change from 100 to 80, the exact same behaviour might see you lose your
license for a month, cop about $500 in fines and might even see you get
your bike impounded with an additional $500 or so to get it released
from impound. The police/govt/vicroads are not making the roads safer,
they're merely manufacturing hoons.
I know one road on the outskirts of Melbourne which in the past few
years has had the road surface dramatically improved, had the sightlines
on some corners improved, and has changed from a 100kph zone with
overtaking allowed to a 60kph zone with no overtaking.
From: theo on 3 Feb 2010 05:49
On Feb 3, 6:19 pm, Diogenes <cy...(a)society.sux.ok> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 01:07:05 -0800 (PST), theo
> <theodo...(a)bigpond.com.au> wrote:
> I'll make it easy for you , Theo:
> I said:
> >> >> I think an _intelligent_ reader would have deduced that I was not not
> >> >> saying that you, personally, were a hoon. Go back and do Engish
> >> >> Comprehension 101 _again_, will you, please, there's a good lad...
> You said:
> >> >Are you saying Geoff inferred? I thought you implied.
> I said:
> >> Geoff WAS inferring. I was NOT implying he, personally, was a hoon,
> >> and you, GO AWAY !!! ;-)
> You said:
> >You just failed English Comprehension 101 Gerry. "I thought you
> >implied" translates to "I inferred". :-)
> Since it was YOU who said "I thought you implied", it was YOU who
> inferred. And, ergo, it was YOU who failed English Comprehension 101.
Duh! Failed again Gerry. "I thought you implied", was said by me and I
said it translates to "I inferred", I being me, not you. Your ego
You really need to get to grips with EC101. There's one running at
your local TAFE or Immigrant detention centre. :-)
> But since you're a Holländer, we'll forgive you. ;-)
Thanks for the amusement.
From: G-S on 3 Feb 2010 06:07
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:01:32 +1100, G-S <geoff(a)castbus.com.au> wrote:
>> Diogenes wrote:
>>>> Lowering the speed limit and altering the road marking laws to prohibit
>>>> overtaking simply enables the enforcement effort to trap people who are
>>>> riding in a sensible, and until recently, perfectly legal manner.
>>> So you're saying that it's all an evil, antisocial plan to trap the
>>> innocent whilst turning a blind eye to the guilty? You don't think
>>> that's a bit of a skewed view of reality?
>> I'm saying that the gumbiment see this lowering of speed limits as
>> having the bonus effect of raising the amount of revenue their mobile
>> tax gathering units (highway patrols) get from day dreaming car drivers
>> (and the occasional motorcyclist).
> Yes, it gives them more money with which to finance more active
> traffic patrolling. Good innit? It's called economics". JL can
> tell you all about it. ;-)
If it was used for that I wouldn't have such a problem with it.
If it was even used to fund general police services I wouldn't have a
problem with it.
But the revenue from fines goes mostly into general revenue where it's
used for such diverse and useful things as excessive superannuation
funds for pollies and golden plane tickets for retired pollies and their
families and blowing their own horn in television adverts.
From: G-S on 3 Feb 2010 06:13
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:59:27 +1100, G-S <geoff(a)castbus.com.au> wrote:
>> Diogenes wrote
>>> What they WON'T do is stop being hoons and/or actually start
>>> denouncing hoons for the stain on the motorcycling community that they
>>> are. And the main reason for this is that by and large they ARE the
>>> motorcycling community.
>> I own and ride a 1200cc air-cooled twin which makes about 75hp at the
>> rear wheel and weighs about 250kg.
>> That's not very 'hoonish' in my book.
>> Oh and there is my Suzuki & HRD outfit (that's got a double sidecar on
>> it), I'm not sure how fast it goes but it gets a bit scary over 120kph
>> so I never really tried.
>> My next bike purchase?
>> Well I'm trying to decide between a SYM HD200 scooter and an Aprillia
>> Scarabeo 200 and wondering if I'd be better with something just a little
>> bigger like a SYM Citycom 300i or Aprillia 250.
>> Oh... the 300i makes 24ps and it's the most powerful of that lot.
>> I don't really think I'm part of the supersports rider demographic
>> you're making me out to be (and nor to be honest are any of the regulars
>> I've met from this newsgroup).
> I think an _intelligent_ reader would have deduced that I was not not
> saying that you, personally, were a hoon. Go back and do Engish
> Comprehension 101 _again_, will you, please, there's a good lad...
Yes but you did say that the majority of the newsgroup either were hoons
or were apologists for them or words to that effect.
I'm just wondering who you are specifically putting in each category?