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From: 'Hog on 6 Dec 2009 14:51 ginge <the.gingeREMOVE(a)THISgmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:01:42 -0000, "'Hog" > <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> wrote: > >> France is the only country with a viable safe fully formed nuclear >> power industry. Pretty much general knowlege. > > I'd have thought Japan ticks those boxes too. Hmm that's a bit more complicated than the odd casual NG post. Yeah they have 55 nuclear power plants. Mostly LWR. In 2000 they published a long term pro nuclear strategy and that included a closed fuel cycle with reprocessing and mixed oxide fuel. I understood that their LWR design could burn this MOX. Japan was hit hard by the various oil crises. They also had a Fast Breeder program, Monju, which went critical in 1994. They took up good British design and sodium cooled it and used MOX fuel. What they didn't do was weld properly and in 1995 a major sodium leak caused a hideous accident and fire. Which is to say they didn't build it like Doomreay at all. Then on the power side around the time of publication of the strategy document they had another bad accident. An unscheduled Criticality in the reprocessing plant. The absolute No No. And reading the docs it was cack handed plant design and process management. 2 died quickly and 60odds are "waiting". So since those problems public opinion has soured, postponements have happened, lots of protest. Then there was another death, though TBF it was steam generating plant but poor maintenance control contributed. So is the Japanese program still viable? I don't know anything about their new government but I'm thinking - doubtful. I think the UK still has the ability to design, build and run a safe industry. I don't say that based on the current UK nuclear sector, but on the offshore oil industry. Britain pretty much leads and if anything those have been tougher nuts to crack. -- 'Hog CO2 - Just hot air
From: des popping in on 6 Dec 2009 15:20 On 2009-12-06, Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMMENOT(a)unixconsult.co.uk> wrote: > "S'mee" <stevenkeith2(a)hotmail.com> writes: >> are you kidding? I think the frogs are the only ones that haven't had a >> major incident so far. <knocks on wood> I hope it stays that way. > According to Greenpeace they seem to have had a couple of minor > incidents, as has Switzerland - actually clockmaker country has had only > one incident but they've only got four reactors. > > My guess is that the French are willing to spend proper money on the > infrastructure and reactors and thus are probably less in danger of > cutting corners than countries with a more entrepreneurial approach. I'd agree. The only 'problem' with nuclear power in France, is that no one in government saw fit to ask our opinion.
From: Andy Bonwick on 6 Dec 2009 15:31 On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:42:55 -0800 (PST), "S'mee" <stevenkeith2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >On Dec 6, 12:09�pm, ginge <the.gingeREM...(a)THISgmail.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:01:42 -0000, "'Hog" >> >> <sm911S...(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> wrote: >> >France is the only country with a viable safe fully formed nuclear power >> >industry. Pretty much general knowlege. >> >> I'd have thought Japan ticks those boxes too. > >No, sadly they've had a fubar or two also. One as famously covered up >as one of yours was. We didn't cover ours up and everybody knows any background radiation in Cumbria (1) (2) (3) comes from Chernobyl and the fact that there isn't any for a large part of the area between the old Windscale site and Chernobyl is purely a matter of luck for those that live in the clear areas. (1) That's where Windscale was just in case the colonials don't know the area. (2) There's rather a lot of it. (3) We even built a re-processing plant there because nobody would know (4) if any background radiation was old stuff or evidence of another mishap. (4) Well, they would know but it'd be kept secret.
From: Andy Bonwick on 6 Dec 2009 15:36 On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:51:16 -0000, "'Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> wrote: snip> >I think the UK still has the ability to design, build and run a safe >industry. I don't say that based on the current UK nuclear sector, but on >the offshore oil industry. Britain pretty much leads and if anything those >have been tougher nuts to crack. I think it was last week the preliminary designs were approved for the next generation of reactors but it might have been the week before. I don't think we'll be seeing the unemployed figures dropping in the uk.
From: Pip Luscher on 6 Dec 2009 15:46
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:00:53 +0000, "Simes" <Simes(a)privacy.net> wrote: >Pip Luscher wrote: > >> On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:16:59 +0000, "Simes" <Simes(a)privacy.net> wrote: >> >> > Chances are that they have done exactly that. A common cause of >> > failure of the connectors is people not changing the pollen filters, >> > they get bunged up, the fan motor is then struggling to move any >> > air, and drawing more current that then burns out the connectors... >> >> Err, usually an unloaded fan will rev up and if it's a parallel-wound >> motor (or permanent magnet type) will draw less current, not more. >> Think of what a vacuum cleaner does when you plug the hose, or how a >> Concept II rowing machine load control works. > >I'm not defending my posting - just basing it on observation of Range >Rover Heater woes - only occur when polen filter maintenance is >forgotten - though often it's bit of the destroyed and rotting filter >jamming the fan from rotating... Ah. That would certainly cause an over-current. -- -Pip |