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From: alx on 20 Feb 2010 09:01 On Feb 20, 9:52 pm, John Tserkezis <j...(a)techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote: > On 20/02/2010 4:32 PM, alx wrote: > > > We're talking about trading motorbikes and cars..in Australia. > > For the inconvenience of point zero zero zero zero nought something > > of some genuine person in Nigeria that actually wants to buy a vehicle > > in Australia I don't see it too much of an issue to just block the > > whole IP range. > > Politically, (again within a company) and thus commercially, that would > be virtual suicide. It's akin to saying we're going to block Italy, > because they make Motorcycles that not only are notoriously unreliable, > they'll let you buy them then kill you a short time later. It's strictly a commercial decision to not accept postings from other countries/regions. It already happens ..it's no different to not accepting overseas orders. You are suggesting that blocking Nigeria from Carsales/Bikesales/Boatsales is going to cause a diplomatic incident?? Don't turn this into the United Nations debate..it ain't. Googles Chinese affair is irrelevant. The commercial imperative is firstly the inconvenience and grief caused by irrelevant OS postings, detracting from the integrity of the product and secondly...there is no commercial loss from blocking OS countries (especially Nigeria/Russian/China) FOR THIS PARTICULAR business operation.
From: alx on 20 Feb 2010 17:52 On Feb 21, 2:03 am, John Tserkezis <j...(a)techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote: > On 21/02/2010 1:01 AM, alx wrote: > > > It's strictly a commercial decision to not accept postings from other > > countries/regions. It already happens ..it's no different to not > > accepting overseas orders. You are suggesting that blocking Nigeria > > from Carsales/Bikesales/Boatsales is going to cause a diplomatic > > incident?? > > Sure, that's not going to happen. But it is one reason they won't > move. More so, Car/Bike/BoatSales have no financial incentive to do it.. > You miss the point. particularly in the context of this thread (I am the one generating revenue by paying to list a bike for sale. I have no expectations or desire to muck around with buyers from overseas). To Bikesale's credit, they have squirreled away on the Help page re: scammers and paypal..but it aint prominent. SO..you miss the point...Revenue (from Nigeria or whatever) is not the issue. ..there IS no revenue from Nigeria and overseas..there IS no revenue from buyers fullstop. What will impact revenue is making the site untrustworthy; lowering the expectations of revenue-generating customers that posting their vehicle for sale will generate GENUINE views and enquiries and not expose sellers to potential scams. We are talking about blocking replies to posts..not posting adds.. (which generates revenue of at least $50 and what scammer is going to do that?). There are already measures in place to block automated spambots posting enquiries. Please clarify what revenue that a scammer from Nigeria or anywhere overseas is going to generate for an .AU-based vehicle sale site?
From: John Tserkezis on 20 Feb 2010 19:05 On 21/02/2010 9:52 AM, alx wrote: > Please clarify what revenue that a scammer from Nigeria or anywhere > overseas is going to generate for an .AU-based vehicle sale site? Not quite my point. I'm aware the scammers don't make money for the site. YOU (as the seller) does. If YOU stop using their site to sell, they most certainly see a difference in their bottom line. But the reason needs to be clear to them. If they just plain lose money, they'll INTRODUCE new avenues of income, rather than remove existing offending entries. The driving force is money. If (hypothetically here) Nigeria was a gold site for purchase of speciality vehicles, such as antiques and such, and a proportion of the Nigerian content were scams, then it STILL comes down to money. Do they toss out the Nigerians and lose sales money for those selling (or hoping to sell) overseas, or do they toss out the Nigerians because they lose out on those who *would* have sold, but don't due to scam frustration? The answer is, one, or the other, or both. The only driving force is money. If they lose money for whatever reason, they'll change things to address this. It doesn't matter that they might not sell overseas *at all* now, on that *alone*, they're not going to wipe out the (possible) overseas market for something that won't make them more money, and it in fact might cause them to lose money on the off chance someone *wants* to aim overseas. Unless there's some other reason that causes them to lose money. Bad publicity works too. Libel or not, if people avoid them because of the bad press, that translates to less income for the reason the bad press created. You can be sure they'll address that too.
From: alx on 21 Feb 2010 04:53 On Feb 21, 2:03 am, John Tserkezis <j...(a)techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote: > > You never know, there might be a Nigerian who wants a bike, and have it > shipped from Australia to Nigeria. With all the scams they're running, > they can certainly afford it... OK Campers, latest update:- I've sent and resent (to all the listed emails) the 24meg attachment (30plus by the time the internet deals with it) containing the magic 10 digit receipt number from Western Union. Mr Jason has now pleaded for just the numbers instead of a scan of the receipt. I'm a little concerned about the "security of sending through the number in plain view"..Time to crank up another (slightly smaller) encoded file and tell them the password for the encoded file (I need to find some obscure encrypting software..or make one up..the GIMP password encryption system) password is the rego number of the bike...which it won't be but who cares...it'll make em run off to squint at the photo :-) There's one thing baiting scammers... and then there's the pleasure of baiting scammers that believe that the money has now gone into the ether, awaiting their greedy lil hands. "They
From: alx on 21 Feb 2010 05:00
On Feb 21, 8:53 pm, alx <alxr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 21, 2:03 am, John Tserkezis > > <j...(a)techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote: > > > You never know, there might be a Nigerian who wants a bike, and have it > > shipped from Australia to Nigeria. With all the scams they're running, > > they can certainly afford it... > > OK Campers, latest update:- > > I've sent and resent (to all the listed emails) the 24meg attachment > (30plus by the time the internet deals with it) containing the magic > 10 digit receipt number from Western Union. > > Mr Jason has now pleaded for just the numbers instead of a scan of > the receipt. > > I'm a little concerned about the "security of sending through the > number in plain view"..Time to crank up another (slightly smaller) But first, I emailed Jason that, for security, I SMS'd it to his mobile number..that'll teach em for listing fake mobile numbers. |