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From: Kevin Gleeson on 24 Nov 2009 01:31 On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:18:08 GMT, "George W Frost" <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >"Kevin Gleeson" <kevingleeson(a)imagine-it.com.au> wrote in message >news:tsnmg5hkevmhs93b12doqe7a050p5aub20(a)4ax.com... >> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:29:43 +0930, "Pietro" <noone(a)dontbesilly.com> >> wrote: >> >>>"Kevin Gleeson" <kevingleeson(a)imagine-it.com.au> wrote in message >>>news:k2img5lo4mitqs30idi030c36ca344364l(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:37:11 +1100, Diogenes <cynic(a)society.sux.ok> >> >> Not nerecessily. Training people to not park 2m from a corner or >> learning how to reverse park is not going to save many lives as far as >> I can see. > > >Now Kev, you are not trying to say that all drivers can reverse park are >you? Point taken
From: Pietro on 24 Nov 2009 01:34 "Diogenes" <cynic(a)society.sux.ok> wrote in message news:m5smg5dbnsq4i9rftu5mhiks5ibhc399or(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:10:24 +0930, "Pietro" <noone(a)dontbesilly.com> > wrote: > >>"Diogenes" <cynic(a)society.sux.ok> wrote in message >>news:efdmg5tnovfddv0hkqnd9bhun7150nb3ac(a)4ax.com... >>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:35:38 GMT, Andrew >>> <amckNOSPAM3047(a)telNOSPAMstra.com> wrote: >> >><snip> >> >>> Hence my question to Zebee (to which he, although he is a great bloke, >>> has not yet replied.) >> >>Maybe that is because you directed your question to alx - who has in fact >>replied... > > Maybe if you ACTUALLY read my message PROPERLY, you'll see that it was > reponding to Zebee's comment. Maybe if you were ACTUALLY responding to Zebee you should have ACTUALLY responded to Zebee... P Just a thought mind you
From: Kevin Gleeson on 24 Nov 2009 01:34 On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:51:08 +1100, Diogenes <cynic(a)society.sux.ok> wrote: >On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:46:35 +1100, Kevin Gleeson ><kevingleeson(a)imagine-it.com.au> wrote: > >>On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:37:11 +1100, Diogenes <cynic(a)society.sux.ok> >>wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:35:38 GMT, Andrew >>><amckNOSPAM3047(a)telNOSPAMstra.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:25:01 +1100, Diogenes wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Nov 22, 8:51�pm, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: In >>>>> aus.motorcycles on Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:15:45 -0800 (PST) >>>>> >>>>>> �It isn't as if it has before. >>>>> >>>>> Huh? Are you seriously arguing that licensing (of any kind) has not >>>>> solved any problems? >>> >>>>I think the argument is rather that the current road toll is made up >>>>(mainly) of licensed riders and drivers, their unwitting passengers, >>>>other innocent road users and equally innocent bystanders. If licensing >>>>car and bike users still leaves a road toll, why would licensing cyclists >>>>achieve anything? >>> >>>You really need me to explain that to you? >>> >>>[sigh] D'oh... OK, here we go: I posit that the licensing of drivers >>>and motorcycle riders has resulted in a death toll far lower than the >>>one we would get if no licensing were required. > >>I dunno how you can claim that. I tend to agree with it but there is >>no logical sequence I can see that goes from someone having a licence >>to lowering of death toll. >>I can see a logical sequence from training >>to lowering of death toll, but unless that licence is made out of >>bullet proof armour, it makes not a smeg of difference. >> >>So yes, I really do need you to explain it to me. > >Well, Kev, me old mate, I think it's fair to say that licencing >brings with it the applicant's need to demonstrate a reasonably >detailed knowledge and understanding of the road rules. With me so >far? Good. > >Now, I think it is also fair to say that if no licencing regime >existed, things would get pretty chaotic on the roads, and this would >arguably lead to a greater death toll. > >What's so hard to understand? OK, so where do I line up for my pedestrian licence? I'm not saying people shouldn't be licenced. That would be silly. "Ooh, is it OK if I have a go at flying this 747 to London? Ripper mate, thanks". I just don't see any connection between current drivers/riders licences having much effect on the road toll.
From: George W Frost on 24 Nov 2009 01:46 "Kevin Gleeson" <kevingleeson(a)imagine-it.com.au> wrote in message news:revmg59nlo0tq6ecbd7c2m7mhmbpos8pc6(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:51:08 +1100, Diogenes <cynic(a)society.sux.ok> > wrote: > >>On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:46:35 +1100, Kevin Gleeson >><kevingleeson(a)imagine-it.com.au> wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:37:11 +1100, Diogenes <cynic(a)society.sux.ok> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:35:38 GMT, Andrew >>>><amckNOSPAM3047(a)telNOSPAMstra.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:25:01 +1100, Diogenes wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 22, 8:51 pm, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: In >>>>>> aus.motorcycles on Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:15:45 -0800 (PST) >> >>What's so hard to understand? > > OK, so where do I line up for my pedestrian licence? > Bloody great idea Kev, Not for you, but for the total pedestrian population, then maybe we will not have so many pedestrian deaths if they know what their responsibilities are and not throw the blame all the time onto the vehicle driver/rider.
From: G-S on 24 Nov 2009 01:59
Pietro wrote: > "Kevin Gleeson" <kevingleeson(a)imagine-it.com.au> wrote in message > news:k2img5lo4mitqs30idi030c36ca344364l(a)4ax.com... >> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:37:11 +1100, Diogenes <cynic(a)society.sux.ok> >> wrote: >> > <snip> >>> You really need me to explain that to you? >>> >>> [sigh] D'oh... OK, here we go: I posit that the licensing of drivers >>> and motorcycle riders has resulted in a death toll far lower than the >>> one we would get if no licensing were required. >> I dunno how you can claim that. I tend to agree with it but there is >> no logical sequence I can see that goes from someone having a licence >> to lowering of death toll. I can see a logical sequence from training >> to lowering of death toll, but unless that licence is made out of >> bullet proof armour, it makes not a smeg of difference. >> >> So yes, I really do need you to explain it to me. > > Doesn't the having of the license mean that you had done the required > traing? (are we back in the certification thread again?) > > P > > That depends... there was no pre license training done when I got my motorbike license. G-S |