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From: CrazyCam on 22 Nov 2009 15:09 G-S wrote: <snip> > There are pedal mopeds all over the place down here, but they have this > silly 200 watt restriction. > > Yes yes... you are going to call them 'electric assist bicycles' which > is silly I reckon. I wouldn't call them that, Geoff. The 200 watt restriction basically stops them being motor vehicles. Once some thing is a motor vehicle, it then has to comply with regulations for motor vehicles. > A moped means pedals. Yes, and then again, no. Australia has never really had much of a history of mopeds, while Europe had millions of the buggers. Originally, they did have pedals, but then again, if you look far enough back in history, some quite large capacity motorcycles also had pedals. The mere fact of having pedals wasn't the sole qualifier for a moped, and then, some time in the sixties, most countries removed the requirement for pedals on a moped, but left the power and/or speed limitations for a class of vehicle which continued to be commonly referred to as "mopeds". > What you're talking about (and some silly government nongs misused the > word for) are low powered scooters. ...or, some times, low powered motorcycles. Another commonly used measure of a "moped" is a max power output of 2.4 bhp. regards, CrazyCam
From: Diogenes on 22 Nov 2009 17:25 On Nov 22, 8:51�pm, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:15:45 -0800 (PST) > Dunno why people think this "licence" thing is going to solve any > problems. I'm coming into this thread not having read the earlier bits, so maybe this has already been said, but licensing could mean that: [1] You had to demonstrate that you understood the road rules in order to qualify for a license. That would bicycle-specific rules. [2] You could be charged for breaking the rules and that these charges form a record of your behaviour on the road which would be of assistance to magistrates. [3] Age restrictions for riding on certain roads could be applied and policed. > �It isn't as if it has before. Huh? Are you seriously arguing that licensing (of any kind) has not solved any problems? ================= Onya bike Gerry
From: theo on 22 Nov 2009 18:58 On Nov 22, 6:29 pm, G-S <ge...(a)castbus.com.au> wrote: > A moped means pedals. > > What you're talking about (and some silly government nongs misused the > word for) are low powered scooters. [1] > [1] And yes I approve of car drivers being able to drive speed > restricted low power scooters. In WA moped officially means Moped A motorcycle that has a propelling engine having a piston displacement not exceeding 50 cc and which is designed so as to be capable of a speed not exceeding 60 kilometres per hour. Licence Class R-N Minimum age 16. My 15 yo grandson has a learners permit for this class at the moment. He will be able to get his licence next May when he turns 16. Meanwhile he can ride around on L's as long as his mum or dad are with him. Theo
From: George W Frost on 22 Nov 2009 19:55 "theo" <theodoreb(a)bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:4f06fde3-2bcb-4cbf-ab87-f6bd7c7f30c1(a)f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com... On Nov 22, 6:29 pm, G-S <ge...(a)castbus.com.au> wrote: > A moped means pedals. > > What you're talking about (and some silly government nongs misused the > word for) are low powered scooters. [1] > [1] And yes I approve of car drivers being able to drive speed > restricted low power scooters. In WA moped officially means Moped A motorcycle that has a propelling engine having a piston displacement not exceeding 50 cc and which is designed so as to be capable of a speed not exceeding 60 kilometres per hour. Licence Class R-N Minimum age 16. My 15 yo grandson has a learners permit for this class at the moment. He will be able to get his licence next May when he turns 16. Meanwhile he can ride around on L's as long as his mum or dad are with him. Theo ***************************** On a moped ??
From: CrazyCam on 22 Nov 2009 23:52
CrazyCam wrote: <snip> > The mere fact of having pedals wasn't the sole qualifier for a moped, > and then, some time in the sixties, most countries removed the > requirement for pedals on a moped, but left the power and/or speed > limitations for a class of vehicle which continued to be commonly > referred to as "mopeds". Ooops.... I was wrong. Not all that unusual, just ask Angie! It was, apparently the seventies that the pedal business got disappeared in various places. For further edification, see:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moped regards, CrazyCam |