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From: Andrew on 23 Nov 2009 01:35 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:25:01 +1100, Diogenes wrote: > On Nov 22, 8:51 pm, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: In > aus.motorcycles on Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:15:45 -0800 (PST) > >> It isn't as if it has before. > > Huh? Are you seriously arguing that licensing (of any kind) has not > solved any problems? > > ================= > > Onya bike > > Gerry I think the argument is rather that the current road toll is made up (mainly) of licensed riders and drivers, their unwitting passengers, other innocent road users and equally innocent bystanders. If licensing car and bike users still leaves a road toll, why would licensing cyclists achieve anything? It's possible to understand the argument without agreeing with it, mind. -- Regards Andrew
From: Hammo on 23 Nov 2009 02:47 On 22/11/09 11:18 PM, in article e_9Om.56719$ze1.25098(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au, "Lars Chance" <lars.chance(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > CrazyCam wrote: >> Lars Chance wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >>> Wouldn't it be wonderful to think that someone in Govco actually >>> understands enough about two-wheelers to know what the "ped" in moped >>> means! >> >> <Cough> The ped bit fell by the wayside many years ago. >> > Agreed. They're all just "scooters" not "mopeds and scooters" (which I > think was Hammo's point). .....although. I can see why one might use the term moped. www.rta.nsw.gov.au/.../vsi_27_-_mopeds_and_power-assisted_pedal_cycles_july_ 2008.pdf H
From: Lars Chance on 23 Nov 2009 04:12 CrazyCam wrote: > For further edification, see:- > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moped > OK; to summarise, moped means Motor/Pedal and thus includes power-assisted bicycles but various people, organisations, manufacturers and Governments have mangled and bastardised the term and it's now widely used to describe small-scooters. [1] Many Australian State Governments have a moped vehicle classification and/or licence classification but all refer just to small scooters (with specific limitations). NSW does *not* have a moped licence/vehicle classification but people there also refer to small-scooters as mopeds. [2] That it? -- Elsie. [1] I get the mild shits when this happens. [2] Crazycam gets the medium shits when this happens.
From: Lars Chance on 23 Nov 2009 04:15 theo wrote: > In WA moped officially means > > Moped > A motorcycle that has a propelling engine having a piston > displacement not exceeding 50 cc and which is designed so as to be > capable of a speed not exceeding 60 kilometres per hour. > > Licence Class R-N Minimum age 16. My 15 yo grandson has a learners > permit for this class at the moment. He will be able to get his > licence next May when he turns 16. Meanwhile he can ride around on L's > as long as his mum or dad are with him. > 60?!!? Most of the states limit it to a less workable 50. -- Elsie.
From: Lars Chance on 23 Nov 2009 04:14
theo wrote: > In WA moped officially means > > Moped > A motorcycle that has a propelling engine having a piston > displacement not exceeding 50 cc and which is designed so as to be > capable of a speed not exceeding 60 kilometres per hour. > > Licence Class R-N Minimum age 16. My 15 yo grandson has a learners > permit for this class at the moment. He will be able to get his > licence next May when he turns 16. Meanwhile he can ride around on L's > as long as his mum or dad are with him. > 60?!!? Most of the states limit it to a less workable 50. -- Elsie. |