From: Zebee Johnstone on
In on Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:38:10 -0800 (PST)
alx <alxr101(a)> wrote:
> Priceless moments...turning up to do MOST on a Rocket 3

If you can do the MOST on one, they'd probably give it to you.

I'll sell the tickets!

From: Diogenes on
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:31:22 GMT, Lars Chance
<lars.chance(a)> wrote:

>(The cynic in me says that the NSW classification exists *solely* to
>stop people using "mopeds" to do motorcycle licence tests.)

I don't see anywhere that it says a moped owner can't use their moped
to do their (required) motorcycle riders license tests.

"Please explain."


Onya bike

From: Diogenes on
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:35:38 GMT, Andrew
<amckNOSPAM3047(a)> wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:25:01 +1100, Diogenes wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 8:51�pm, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)> wrote: In
>> on Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:15:45 -0800 (PST)
>>> �It isn't as if it has before.
>> Huh? Are you seriously arguing that licensing (of any kind) has not
>> solved any problems?

>I think the argument is rather that the current road toll is made up
>(mainly) of licensed riders and drivers, their unwitting passengers,
>other innocent road users and equally innocent bystanders. If licensing
>car and bike users still leaves a road toll, why would licensing cyclists
>achieve anything?

You really need me to explain that to you?

[sigh] D'oh... OK, here we go: I posit that the licensing of drivers
and motorcycle riders has resulted in a death toll far lower than the
one we would get if no licensing were required. I take that to be a
given. Given this, it follows that licensing bicycle riders (for
riding on certain roads) would also lower their death toll (on those

Hence my question to Zebee (to which he, although he is a great bloke,
has not yet replied.)


Onya bike

From: theo on
On Nov 23, 8:55 am, "George W Frost" <georgewfr...(a)> wrote:
> "theo" <theodo...(a)> wrote in message

> In WA moped officially means
> Moped
>  A motorcycle that has a propelling engine having a piston
> displacement not exceeding 50 cc and which is designed so as to be
> capable of a speed not exceeding 60 kilometres per hour.
> Licence Class R-N  Minimum age 16. My 15 yo grandson has a learners
> permit for this class at the moment. He will be able to get his
> licence next May when he turns 16. Meanwhile he can ride around on L's
> as long as his mum or dad are with him.
> Theo
> *****************************
> On a moped ??

In WA as I believe in QLD, you must have an accompanying 'instructor'
when on L plates. The law says that that person may be riding another
motor cycle or be a pillion on the learners bike. I don't think I've
ever seen the second option exercised.

From: theo on
On Nov 23, 12:52 pm, CrazyCam <Crazy...(a)> wrote:

> Ooops.... I was wrong.     Not all that unusual, just ask Angie!
> It was, apparently the seventies that the pedal business got disappeared
> in various places.
> For further edification, see:-

In WA, the redefinition of mopeds was due largely to a campaign by the
legendary Ted Stolarski.

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