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From: darsy on 17 Sep 2009 12:14 On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:43:48 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM(a)freenetCHIPS.co.uk> wrote: >darsy wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:17:43 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM(a)freenetCHIPS.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> and obviously if Dresden and Hiroshima had been crimes there would >>> have been trials. >> >> Dresden, I'd agree that plain and simple it was a War Crime. > >What a load of bollocks why was it necessary, at that stage of the war, to demonstrate "shock and awe" (to use the modern parlance) by killing so many civilians? -- d.
From: Hog on 17 Sep 2009 12:23 darsy wrote: > On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:43:48 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM(a)freenetCHIPS.co.uk> > wrote: > >> darsy wrote: >>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:17:43 +0100, "Hog" >>> <hogSPAM(a)freenetCHIPS.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> and obviously if Dresden and Hiroshima had been crimes there would >>>> have been trials. >>> >>> Dresden, I'd agree that plain and simple it was a War Crime. >> >> What a load of bollocks > > why was it necessary, at that stage of the war, to demonstrate "shock > and awe" (to use the modern parlance) by killing so many civilians? But you said it was a War Crime. That's something quite specific and would have to be judged by the legal framework *of the day* Even the Hague Convention against "launching of projectiles and explosives from balloons, or by other new methods of a similar nature" had expired by 1905 ;o) I'd agree it was quite naughty though. -- Hog '06 ST4-S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 '81 R65 Outfit
From: DR on 17 Sep 2009 14:26 darsy posted: >On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:43:48 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM(a)freenetCHIPS.co.uk> >wrote: > >>darsy wrote: >>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:17:43 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM(a)freenetCHIPS.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> and obviously if Dresden and Hiroshima had been crimes there would >>>> have been trials. >>> >>> Dresden, I'd agree that plain and simple it was a War Crime. >> >>What a load of bollocks > >why was it necessary, at that stage of the war, to demonstrate "shock >and awe" (to use the modern parlance) by killing so many civilians? The Japanese wartime mentality was worlds apart from ours (some might say it still is). Practically the entire civilian population was, both through propaganda and culture, ready and willing to fight to the death against an Allied invasion (until the A-bombs, thought to be the only way to achieve surrender) by any means necessary; use of the Bombs was decided upon as a quick, decisive action endangering as few Allied (i.e. American) personnel as possible. If the Third Reich hadn't fallen when it did I believe Berlin was considered as a possible target. I'm not attempting to excuse it, merely repeating what I learned at school. -- Darren GSF1200N K3
From: darsy on 17 Sep 2009 14:29 On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:26:54 +0100, DR <motorbandit(a)hotmail.co.uk.invalid> wrote: >darsy posted: >>On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:43:48 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM(a)freenetCHIPS.co.uk> >>wrote: >> >>>darsy wrote: >>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:17:43 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM(a)freenetCHIPS.co.uk> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> and obviously if Dresden and Hiroshima had been crimes there would >>>>> have been trials. >>>> >>>> Dresden, I'd agree that plain and simple it was a War Crime. >>> >>>What a load of bollocks >> >>why was it necessary, at that stage of the war, to demonstrate "shock >>and awe" (to use the modern parlance) by killing so many civilians? > >The Japanese wartime mentality was worlds apart from ours (some might >say it still is). Practically the entire civilian population was, both >through propaganda and culture, ready and willing to fight to the >death against an Allied invasion (until the A-bombs, thought to be the >only way to achieve surrender) by any means necessary; use of the >Bombs was decided upon as a quick, decisive action endangering as few >Allied (i.e. American) personnel as possible. If the Third Reich >hadn't fallen when it did I believe Berlin was considered as a >possible target. I'm not attempting to excuse it, merely repeating >what I learned at school. when did they move Dresden to Japan? -- d.
From: Ace on 17 Sep 2009 14:37
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:04:41 +0100, Phil Launchbury <phill(a)launchbury.org.uk> wrote: >Some years my ideal holiday has been hiring a cottage in the middle of >no-where (preferrably without a mobile signal) and taking a crate of >wine and a crate of books. Have you ever thought about sailing? It's like that, but with something to do between drinks. |