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From: malc on 26 Apr 2010 17:52 Nige wrote: > On 26/04/2010 22:11, malc wrote: >> Rode the ZZR into work on Friday and back home no problem. When I >> went to give the eldest lad a spin on it 2 hours later the solenoid >> would chatter but the starter motor wouldn't spin. Tried it with >> jump leads off the car the next day and it started beautifully. Must >> be the battery I thought. Went to Frazers, got new battery, charged >> it and put it in. Lo and behold, lots of spinning engine but no >> ignition. It coughed a couple of times but steadfastly refuses to >> start. In fact there's not even a cough now. The dealer is coming to >> collect it for repair but is there something >> obvious I'm missing? I can't see any loose wires, the battery is the >> right way round - negative goes to earth. Definitely petrol getting >> through because I can smell it. I haven't got the Haynes manual in >> the post yet so I 'm a bit stuck. >> > > Choke? Nope. Tried it with and without choke. Tried it a day later so make sure I hadn't flooded it.
From: malc on 26 Apr 2010 17:55 Steve wrote: > On 26 Apr, 22:11, "malc" <malwhi...(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> Rode the ZZR into work on Friday and back home no problem. When I >> went to give the eldest lad a spin on it 2 hours later the solenoid >> would chatter but the starter motor wouldn't spin. Tried it with >> jump leads off the car the next day and it started beautifully. Must >> be the battery I thought. Went to Frazers, got new battery, charged >> it and put it in. Lo and behold, lots of spinning engine but no >> ignition. It coughed a couple of times but steadfastly refuses to >> start. In fact there's not even a cough now. >> >> The dealer is coming to collect it for repair but is there something >> obvious I'm missing? I can't see any loose wires, the battery is the >> right way round - negative goes to earth. Definitely petrol getting >> through because I can smell it. I haven't got the Haynes manual in >> the post yet so I 'm a bit stuck. > Disturbed the coil connection when you removed/replaced the battery? Something like that seems favourite but without a manual I don't even know how to get at the plugs let alone the coil. The battery it in a plastic box under the saddle. It seems unlikely given that the wiring loom is fairly well tied down, but something like that is obviously the answer. -- Malc Rusted and ropy. Dog-eared old copy. Vintage and classic, or just plain Jurassic: all words to describe me.
From: Lozzo on 26 Apr 2010 17:56 malc wrote: > Nope. Tried it with and without choke. Tried it a day later so make > sure I hadn't flooded it. Wind the throttle wide open slowly before turning the key and hold it there, make sure the choke is off, turn ignition on and hit the starter button and hold it on until it starts. -- Lozzo Versys 650 Tourer, CBR600F-W racebike in the making, TS250C, RD400F (somewhere)
From: Champ on 26 Apr 2010 18:25 On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:11:27 +0100, "malc" <malwhite1(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >Rode the ZZR into work on Friday and back home no problem. When I went to >give the eldest lad a spin on it 2 hours later the solenoid would chatter >but the starter motor wouldn't spin. Tried it with jump leads off the car >the next day and it started beautifully. Must be the battery I thought. Went >to Frazers, got new battery, charged it and put it in. Lo and behold, lots >of spinning engine but no ignition. It coughed a couple of times but >steadfastly refuses to start. In fact there's not even a cough now. > >The dealer is coming to collect it for repair but is there something obvious >I'm missing? I can't see any loose wires, the battery is the right way >round - negative goes to earth. Definitely petrol getting through because I >can smell it. I haven't got the Haynes manual in the post yet so I 'm a bit >stuck. The fact that engine is turning over ok rules out most electrical issues - any problems with the sidestand cut out, etc, stop the starter circuit itself. Did you have to lift the tank up at all to fit the battery? If so, could you have disturbed the fuel pipe, or <ahem> turned the fuel off and forgotten to turn it back on? My best guess, from the description above, is that if you can smell petrol, I suspect that you have flooded it. But you say elsewhere that you tried it a day later, and get the same problem. Did it usually start OK? Have you followed your usual starting procedure (i.e. using choke, closed or part open throttle, etc)? -- Champ We declare that the splendor of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. ZX10R | Hayabusa | GPz750turbo neal at champ dot org dot uk
From: wessie on 26 Apr 2010 18:29
"malc" <malwhite1(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in news:SVnBn.333577$1j3.298901 @newsfe10.ams2: > petrolcan wrote: >> In article <ZjnBn.794206$DL1.517868(a)newsfe25.ams2>, malc says... >>> >>> Rode the ZZR into work on Friday and back home no problem. When I >>> went to give the eldest lad a spin on it 2 hours later the solenoid >>> would chatter but the starter motor wouldn't spin. Tried it with >>> jump leads off the car the next day and it started beautifully. Must >>> be the battery I thought. Went to Frazers, got new battery, charged >>> it and put it in. Lo and behold, lots of spinning engine but no >>> ignition. It coughed a couple of times but steadfastly refuses to >>> start. In fact there's not even a cough now. >>> >>> The dealer is coming to collect it for repair but is there something >>> obvious I'm missing? I can't see any loose wires, the battery is the >>> right way round - negative goes to earth. Definitely petrol getting >>> through because I can smell it. I haven't got the Haynes manual in >>> the post yet so I 'm a bit stuck. >> >> Immobiliser? > > Is there one? If so how did I start it before? > Yes. On a ZZR600 it's called the side stand switch. IIRC they are very temperamental and most people I knew[1] with one bypassed it. [1] mid 90s when they were a worthy alternative to the CBR600 -- wessie at tesco dot net BMW R1150GS |