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From: platypus on 27 Apr 2010 03:59 On Apr 27, 7:50 am, Pete Fisher <Pe...(a)ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > In any case the odd cough suggests that there may have been a spark of > some kind, which suggests flooding. Lozzo's procedure is pretty much > what Voxan recommend in such eventuality, with the addition of slowly > closing the throttle while cranking it over with the choke off, until it > catches. But that's FI. This was also the recommended technique for Beetles, especially when that bloody auto-choke had its way. Or some numpty had been pumping the throttle up and down with blithe disregard of the effect on the accelerator pump. Clutch and throttle slowly to the floor, crank. > I really don't like bikes that you can't relatively easily check for a > spark on, even by pulling a plug cap off and using a spare plug. Indeed. I fondly recall the ease of diagnostics on old airhead boxers: spark plug sat out there in the wind. Float bowls that could be removed and replaced one-handed. And on how many fully-faired touring bikes nowadays can one replace barrel, piston and cylinder head without disturbing a single fairing panel?
From: Malc on 27 Apr 2010 04:07 On 26 Apr, 22:56, "Lozzo" <lo...(a)lozzo.org.uk> wrote: > malc wrote: > > Nope. Tried it with and without choke. Tried it a day later so make > > sure I hadn't flooded it. > > Wind the throttle wide open slowly before turning the key and hold it > there, make sure the choke is off, turn ignition on and hit the starter > button and hold it on until it starts. > Been there done that -- Malc
From: Malc on 27 Apr 2010 04:19 On 26 Apr, 23:25, Champ <n...(a)champ.org.uk> wrote: > > The fact that engine is turning over ok rules out most electrical > issues - any problems with the sidestand cut out, etc, stop the > starter circuit itself. > > Did you have to lift the tank up at all to fit the battery? If so, > could you have disturbed the fuel pipe, or <ahem> turned the fuel off > and forgotten to turn it back on? > > My best guess, from the description above, is that if you can smell > petrol, I suspect that you have flooded it. But you say elsewhere > that you tried it a day later, and get the same problem. Did it > usually start OK? Have you followed your usual starting procedure > (i.e. using choke, closed or part open throttle, etc)? > Tried all combinations of choke in/out, throttle in/out. The battery is under the seat so tank remained in place. There are no visible loose connections to the battery. It started ok up until the incident with the solenoid then after the battery replacement just coughed weakly twice and then no sign of any ignition at all. I did wonder about the sidestand switch but I'm loath to do anything until the dealer comes out. -- Malc
From: Lozzo on 27 Apr 2010 04:26 platypus wrote: > Indeed. I fondly recall the ease of diagnostics on old airhead > boxers: spark plug sat out there in the wind. Float bowls that could > be removed and replaced one-handed. And on how many fully-faired > touring bikes nowadays can one replace barrel, piston and cylinder > head without disturbing a single fairing panel? Why should you need to? If I had a touring bike that required me to replace those items and was designed so they could be replaced regularly and easily I'd be getting shot of it asap. -- Lozzo Versys 650 Tourer, CBR600F-W racebike in the making, TS250C, RD400F (somewhere)
From: Champ on 27 Apr 2010 04:33
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:40:47 +0000 (UTC), wessie <putmynamehere(a)tesco.net> wrote: >>>>> Immobiliser? >>>> >>>> Is there one? If so how did I start it before? >> >>>Yes. On a ZZR600 it's called the side stand switch. IIRC they are very >>>temperamental and most people I knew[1] with one bypassed it. >> >> As I said elsewhere - if it was that, the starter wouldn't turn over. >I thought it only cut the ignition, same as the kill switch It cuts the ignition *and* disables the starter circuit. I'm not aware of any Kawasaki *ever* [1] where the starter circuit works when the kill switch is off. Or if the starter lockout circuit is engaged (i.e. side stand down && in gear && clutch not pulled in). [1] unlike my mates 400 Four, which he spent a frustration hour spinning over, only to discover the kill switch was off. -- Champ We declare that the splendour of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. ZX10R | Hayabusa | GPz750turbo neal at champ dot org dot uk |