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From: Colin Irvine on 20 Nov 2009 07:53
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:08:27 -0000, Steve Parry squeezed out the
following:

>... not a ginge
>
>http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2009/November/nov1909-speeding-penalty-for-leading-rideout/
>
>Seems a tad harsh ..... discuss :)

"Chichester Crown Court ruled he should receive the same penalty as a
following rider accused of going 103mph."

Given it was a 60 mph limit, I think anyone convicted of 103 mph does
well to get only 6 points and a �100 fine.

I wonder if the reporting is accurate. It could be that Ken Clark's
penalty was in fact within normal guidelines for exceeding a speed
limit by 25 mph, and all the court was doing was not applying a lower
penalty because of this "aggravating feature".

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From: Krusty on 20 Nov 2009 08:00
Colin Irvine wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:08:27 -0000, Steve Parry squeezed out the
> following:
>
> > motorcyclenews
>
> I wonder if the reporting is accurate.

Hahaha.

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From: TMack on 20 Nov 2009 08:07
Steve Parry wrote:
> ... not a ginge
>
>
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2009/November/nov1909-speeding-penalty-for-leading-rideout/
>
> Seems a tad harsh ..... discuss :)

The really interesting issue is whether or not it means that the priciple
could ultimately be applied to a "leader" who wasn't speeding. Scenario - a
group ride out. Tail-ender gets stuck behind traffic for a while, then
gives it beans to catch up and is clocked doing an seriously illegal speed
just prior to catching up with the group. Group leader is then prosecuted
for "aiding and abetting" or suchlike despite travelling within the limit.
After all, If you can be held responsible for the behaviour of others behind
you when you are speeding, why wouldn't the responsibility exist even if you
aren't speeding?

A very basic learning point here - don't make ANY statement (other than a
denial if you believe you were behaving legally). This prosecution could
only have succeeded because they admitted travelling in a group. The UKRM
French Run approach is applied to any accusations of travelling in a group -
all getting to an agreed destination but everyone responsible for making
their own way - hardly surprising if they end up on the same road but no
intention to travel as a group and NO "leader".

Another possibility - before any ride out, invent a group leader and agree
on his name, say "Brian", who turned up at the start of the run and asked if
he could join in, but who nobody had met before. If subsequently the group
is done for speeding, everyone claims they were they were trying to keep up
with "Brian" - who was has got so far ahead he is out of sight...

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Tony
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'87 semi-rat LS650, OMF#24


From: Champ on 20 Nov 2009 08:30
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:07:41 -0000, "TMack"
<tonyREMOVECAPSmackin(a)REMOVECAPS.dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

>Another possibility - before any ride out, invent a group leader and agree
>on his name, say "Brian", who turned up at the start of the run and asked if
>he could join in, but who nobody had met before. If subsequently the group
>is done for speeding, everyone claims they were they were trying to keep up
>with "Brian" - who was has got so far ahead he is out of sight...

But.... I'm Brian!
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From: ogden on 20 Nov 2009 09:00
Champ wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:07:41 -0000, "TMack"
> <tonyREMOVECAPSmackin(a)REMOVECAPS.dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> >Another possibility - before any ride out, invent a group leader and agree
> >on his name, say "Brian", who turned up at the start of the run and asked if
> >he could join in, but who nobody had met before. If subsequently the group
> >is done for speeding, everyone claims they were they were trying to keep up
> >with "Brian" - who was has got so far ahead he is out of sight...
>
> But.... I'm Brian!

Last time I led a group it ended with an armed roadblock, etc.

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ogden
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