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From: LittleJohn on 3 Oct 2006 02:00
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:11:38 +0000, Hub wrote:

>> I have an 04 also, but mine is smooth as silk. I do have other
>> minor problems with it, though. The heat problem has been resolved with
>> the new bikes. It wasn't that year. At low speeds in triple digit heat,
>> the FJR throws out heat on the riders legs. Very uncomfortable when it's
>> really hot out.
>
> Having a hot bike would definitely be a problem for me, living in
> Houston. Does the 05 model have this problem too? Looks like I might
> get a good deal on an 05, but I'll have to pass if my legs start melting
> in the Summer around here.

You don't want an 04 for driving around town in Houston. A few months back
I was returning from San Fran and running the desert in daytime, triple
digit heat. Mostly rolling fast and it wasn't a problem. However, the
heat was nearly unbearable when I had to stop for lights and the fan came
on. Crispy chicken!

Every year they made minor changes that inproved the heat problem, but it
was not fixed until this year. In 04 it was a heat shield under the tank
that didn't seem to help much. The bottom line is: Don't buy a used FJR
and expect to enjoy riding it in the summer Houston heat.

--
LittleJohn
Madison, AL
From: Mark Olson on 3 Oct 2006 06:23
LittleJohn wrote:
> Mark wrote:

>>Nothing against the FJR, it's a great bike by all accounts. However
>>the Concours 14 looks like it's going to be a worthy competitor, and
>>will almost certainly have the power advantage over every other bike
>>in the class.
>
>
> The 14 I looked at could hardly be considered a touring bike. No bags nor
> screen on the stock machine. It looked like a standard (abeit very fast)
> sport bike. The Concours is closer, but its bags look worse than the early
> Beamers and the screen is low and fixed. Also, no fuel injection and it's
> slow on the straight and in the twisties.

Concours != "Concours 14" != ZX-14 (ZZR-14). Wake up.

--
'01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13
OMF #7
From: LittleJohn on 4 Oct 2006 06:19
Mark wrote:

> That LittleJohn wrote:

>> The 14 I looked at could hardly be considered a touring bike. No bags nor
>> screen on the stock machine. It looked like a standard (abeit very fast)
>> sport bike. The Concours is closer, but its bags look worse than the early
>> Beamers and the screen is low and fixed. Also, no fuel injection and it's
>> slow on the straight and in the twisties.
>
> Concours != "Concours 14" != ZX-14 (ZZR-14). Wake up.

Oh... You're talking about Kawasaki's TBD Sport/Touring bike. I thought
you were referring to something real.

2008 Kawasaki Concours 14 Specifications

Engine: Four-stroke, liquid-cooled, DOHC, four valve per cylinder,
inline-four with VVT
Displacement: 1,352cc
Bore x stroke: 84.0 x 61.0mm
Maximum torque: TBD
Compression ratio: TBD
Fuel Injection: DFI
Ignition: TCBI with Digital Advance
Transmission: Six speed
Final drive: Tetra-Lever shaft drive
Rake / trail: TBD
Front Tire: TBD
Rear Tire: TBD
Front suspension / wheel travel: Inverted, telescopic fork / TBD
Rear suspension / wheel travel: Tetra-Lever / TBD
Brakes, front: Dual floating petal discs with four-piston calipers
Brakes, rear: Single petal disc
Fuel capacity: TBD
Seat height: TBD
Wheelbase: TBD
Overall length: TBD
Overall height: TBD
Overall width: TBD
Dry weight: TBD
Color: Concours 14 ABS: Neutron Silver, Metallic Diablo Black,
Concours 14: Neutron Silver
MSRP Concours 14 ABS / Concours 14: TBD / TBD
Warranty: 12 Months

--
LittleJohn
Madison, AL
From: Mark Olson on 4 Oct 2006 08:41
LittleJohn <littlejohn(a)deleteme.knology.net> wrote:
> Mark wrote:
>
> > That LittleJohn wrote:
>
> >> The 14 I looked at could hardly be considered a touring bike. No bags nor
> >> screen on the stock machine. It looked like a standard (abeit very fast)
> >> sport bike. The Concours is closer, but its bags look worse than the early
> >> Beamers and the screen is low and fixed. Also, no fuel injection and it's
> >> slow on the straight and in the twisties.
> >
> > Concours != "Concours 14" != ZX-14 (ZZR-14). Wake up.
>
> Oh... You're talking about Kawasaki's TBD Sport/Touring bike. I thought
> you were referring to something real.

Are you a _complete_ fuckwit? First, you confuse the Concours 14 with
both the ZX-14 and the ZG1000 (well done), then you claim it is not a
real bike because Kawasaki hasn't released a full spec sheet.

It's real enough. It was displayed at the 2006 Kawasaki Dealer Show
in Anaheim, CA on September 23, 2006. There's pictures of it all over
the net. Just because they haven't firmed up the published specs doesn't
mean there isn't a real live production bike out there that you'll be
able to purchase in early 2007, despite the 2008 model year designation.

Some dealers (Rocky Mountain Kawasaki in Longmont, CO for one) are
already taking deposits. Here's some pictures (not supplied by Kawasaki)
of that vaporware bike:

http://www.texascitycycleonline.com/new_vehicles.htm

http://imageevent.com/capete/bikephotos/2007dealershow/2207kawasaki

http://www.concours.org/concours14/1.jpg
http://www.concours.org/concours14/2.jpg
http://www.concours.org/concours14/3.jpg
http://www.concours.org/concours14/4.jpg
http://www.concours.org/concours14/6.jpg
http://www.concours.org/concours14/8.jpg
http://www.concours.org/concours14/9.jpg
http://www.concours.org/concours14/10.jpg

Here's the official press kit pictures:
http://www.concours.org/ne/Concours14/photos/

And a bunch of links, some pointing to links already supplied:
http://www.concours.org/Concours14/

--
'01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13
OMF #7
From: LittleJohn on 4 Oct 2006 11:21
Mark wrote:

> It's real enough. It was displayed at the 2006 Kawasaki Dealer Show
> in Anaheim, CA on September 23, 2006. There's pictures of it all over
> the net.

Pictures don't make a "real" bike. Neither does a model on a showroom
floor. If it don't fly, it ain't a "real" plane.

> Just because they haven't firmed up the published specs doesn't
> mean there isn't a real live production bike

It is NOT a "real live production bike". There is no production line
running to produce that motorcycle. It is something they are working to
have available as a 2008 model.

They have not finalized the design of the frame, suspension, engine, or
even the fuel tank. There is not one production bike out there. All these
items are TBD which means; To Be Determined. That's vaporware, Mark.

Maximum torque: TBD
Compression ratio: TBD
Rake / trail: TBD
Front Tire: TBD
Rear Tire: TBD
Front suspension / wheel travel: Inverted, telescopic fork / TBD
Rear suspension / wheel travel: Tetra-Lever / TBD
Fuel capacity: TBD
Seat height: TBD
Wheelbase: TBD
Overall length: TBD
Overall height: TBD
Overall width: TBD
Dry weight: TBD
MSRP Concours 14 ABS / Concours 14: TBD / TBD

> Are you a _complete_ fuckwit?

No, but thank you. I appreciate the classification of your posts. You may
reply if you wish, but I won't see it. I plonk everyone not bright enough
to construct an intelligent reply that doesn't include obscene name
calling.

As part of this little experiment, I also plonk the fanatics and the
crazies. It works great as it gets rid of the garbage and leaves the
interesting and informative stuff.

--
LittleJohn
Madison, AL
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