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From: Owen on 11 May 2010 10:11 On Tue, 11 May 2010 12:31:57 +0100, "Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: snip > >Are you just being obtuse? >The people in question would like to destroy western society and control >every little aspect of our lives, given half a chance. > >> <Aside to audience> >> SNIP > >I've said it a few times recently, in order to for people to be able to live >in a free and libertarian society those who would destroy it jneed to be >dealt with. You can create a horizon of freedom thats waaaaaaaaaaay over >there somewhere, something we most certainly do not enjoy, but at the border >of it there needs to be a limit. A limit that defines what is your freedom >and what is likely to destroy a society and the peaceful lives of others. > >The current strategy is that in fact we do not efficiently deal with people >who would destroy the peaceful lives of others. So rather than simply doing >so instead we ramp down the freedom and liberties of everyone. In part >stupidity, in part political reality and in part political design. Would >you not agree? I cant think of a single moslem I know, and I know a few, that want to destroy western society or control our lives. In fact all the ones I know seem mostly happy with the status quo here, aside from the niggles we all have. -- Owen
From: Hog on 11 May 2010 10:19 Owen wrote: > On Tue, 11 May 2010 12:31:57 +0100, "Hog" > <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: > > > snip >> >> Are you just being obtuse? >> The people in question would like to destroy western society and >> control every little aspect of our lives, given half a chance. >> >>> <Aside to audience> >>> SNIP >> >> I've said it a few times recently, in order to for people to be able >> to live in a free and libertarian society those who would destroy it >> jneed to be dealt with. You can create a horizon of freedom thats >> waaaaaaaaaaay over there somewhere, something we most certainly do >> not enjoy, but at the border of it there needs to be a limit. A >> limit that defines what is your freedom and what is likely to >> destroy a society and the peaceful lives of others. >> >> The current strategy is that in fact we do not efficiently deal with >> people who would destroy the peaceful lives of others. So rather >> than simply doing so instead we ramp down the freedom and liberties >> of everyone. In part stupidity, in part political reality and in >> part political design. Would you not agree? > > I cant think of a single moslem I know, and I know a few, that want to > destroy western society or control our lives. In fact all the ones I > know seem mostly happy with the status quo here, aside from the > niggles we all have. Looking up in this post I don't believe I mentioned Islam at all mate so I don't know why you mentioned them. -- Hog
From: Hog on 11 May 2010 10:40 Hog wrote: > Owen wrote: >> On Tue, 11 May 2010 12:31:57 +0100, "Hog" >> <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>> I've said it a few times recently, in order to for people to be able >>> to live in a free and libertarian society those who would destroy it >>> jneed to be dealt with. You can create a horizon of freedom thats >>> waaaaaaaaaaay over there somewhere, something we most certainly do >>> not enjoy, but at the border of it there needs to be a limit. A >>> limit that defines what is your freedom and what is likely to >>> destroy a society and the peaceful lives of others. >>> >>> The current strategy is that in fact we do not efficiently deal with >>> people who would destroy the peaceful lives of others. So rather >>> than simply doing so instead we ramp down the freedom and liberties >>> of everyone. In part stupidity, in part political reality and in >>> part political design. Would you not agree? >> >> I cant think of a single moslem I know, and I know a few, that want >> to destroy western society or control our lives. In fact all the >> ones I know seem mostly happy with the status quo here, aside from >> the niggles we all have. > > Looking up in this post I don't believe I mentioned Islam at all mate > so I don't know why you mentioned them. Bad form etc OK fair point it was further up the thread. I don't think anyone claimed that all followers of Islam are dangerous, barking maybe but not dangerous. But shirly nobody is stupid enough to say that a big fat wedge of them are just exactly that. some here a lot abroad. -- Hog
From: Tim on 11 May 2010 08:05 In message <4be93947$1(a)news.x-privat.org>, des hanging around for a while <des(a)des.com> writes >On 11-05-2010, Hog <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: >> Thomas wrote: >>> On May 10, 10:36 am, "Hog" <sm911S...(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>>> doetnietcomputeren wrote: >>>>> On 2010-05-10 12:25:29 +0200, "Hog" <sm911S...(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> >>>>> said: >>>>>>>> Other US citied I've liked are Denver & Phoenix. >>>> >>>>>>> I like Denver, haven't seen enough of Phoenix to form an opinion. >>>> >>>>>>> San Diego is a great place. >>>> >>>>>> Not been there but it is reputed to have "The Perfect Climate". >>>>>> That may be TM and not necessarily true. >>>> >>>>> Not far off. The place I lived (93012) was just inland enough and >>>>> surrounded by sufficient mountains to ward off the wind, rain and >>>>> extreme heat and give a decent constant temperate climate. I'd take >>>>> that climate again in a heartbeat. >>>> >>>> Yeabut what about the mexican problem >>> >>> There is no Mexican problem, unless you're a nationalistic extremist. >>> There is debate about whether illegals are an economic drain or >>> benefit. It's a tossup. Crime isn't much of an issue. >> >> The problem as observed was illegal immigration and the Mayor offering a >> Sanctuary. It seems. >> >> If you think that unfettered uncontrolled immigration is a good idea then >> you are an idiot. > >Complete _non sequitur_, as there _is_ no 'unfettered uncontrolled >immigration', except in the minds of the racist right. Stop talking sense Des, I am trying to eat my lunch and you're putting me off :-) -- Tim
From: steve auvache on 11 May 2010 12:17
In article <LSWQ8mLsfU6LFwmP(a)nospam.osvif.demon.co.uk>, Tim <tim(a)nospam.osvif.demon.co.uk> writes >Stop talking sense Des, Yes, stop it Des, it is confusing me. -- steve auvache VN750 Third gear has scope. SR250 The SpazzTrakka (Improved). |