2010 SuperTrapp SE Slip-On Mufflers
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From: c on 11 Nov 2009 18:59 On Nov 11, 6:05 pm, Steve Irving <sd...(a)NOSPAMq.com> wrote: > Probably wants the sound he heard on one of the bikes when he was watching "Wild > Hogs"......... > > -- > Steve Irving BS#237 - Goat Head i never saw that, but if you want to throw around insults then i'll just say an ultra is only conceivably nicer than a road king classic if you're and old fart =P
From: kridder on 11 Nov 2009 19:34 nobody #1 wrote: > The exhaust on my '09 looks just like yours and it stinks like it has a > converter in it too. It'll steam like hell on cold mornings, I'm gonna > take a look and see if it has one in that pipe like yours. I'm definitely > not going to remove it but I am curious as hell now. > > nobody #1 The only '09 baggers that had the cat in the headpipe collector were the California bikes and the CVOs. The '09 49-state non-CVO bikes had no cat in the headers. For 2010, *all* baggers have the cat in the headpipe collector (and the 02 sensor bungs are there now, too). If you don't want the cat, you gotta cut that collector in half to get the guts out completely and then weld it back together. 'Course, you could always look for a set of 49-state '09 headers or go aftermarket like V&H Power Duals. I'm just sayin'. kridder
From: nobody #1 on 11 Nov 2009 20:07 kridder wrote: > nobody #1 wrote: > >> The exhaust on my '09 looks just like yours and it stinks like it has >> a converter in it too. It'll steam like hell on cold mornings, I'm >> gonna take a look and see if it has one in that pipe like yours. I'm >> definitely not going to remove it but I am curious as hell now. >> >> nobody #1 > > > The only '09 baggers that had the cat in the headpipe collector were the > California bikes and the CVOs. The '09 49-state non-CVO bikes had no > cat in the headers. For 2010, *all* baggers have the cat in the > headpipe collector (and the 02 sensor bungs are there now, too). > > If you don't want the cat, you gotta cut that collector in half to get > the guts out completely and then weld it back together. 'Course, you > could always look for a set of 49-state '09 headers or go aftermarket > like V&H Power Duals. > > I'm just sayin'. > > kridder Oooohh I'm not removin' anything. I was thinkin' it could have a cat because of the awful smellin' exhaust which has never smelled like conventional exhaust. When it's super cold out it'll cloud out my front yard with steam after it runs for a about thirty seconds. What 0-2 sensor bungs? After cat? nobody #1
From: c on 11 Nov 2009 20:27 On Nov 11, 8:02 pm, Steve Irving <sd...(a)NOSPAMq.com> wrote: > c wrote: > > > would you mind explaining how drilling the cat is 'butchering' the > > bike? > > Well...... > > The bike was engineered to flow a certain amount of air through it, with the cat > in the system. The cat is now gone, so that flow, with it's back pressures is > now gone. > i understand what you're saying, but the many 09 CVO guys agree that the cat in the header was *not* designed for; it was thrown in to meet EPA req's but the bike was designed w/o and it's better w/o > You've voided the warranty on the bike. Any problems you have with the bike from > now on that a dealer CAN blame on your hack job.....will allow them to decline > to perform any warranty repairs at all........ > i can appreciate this but i'd like to leave legal considerations out of the discussion > You've also broken Federal, and possibly state laws for tampering with an > emissions control device. In many states you will be unable to pass safety > and/or emissions inspections which will cause you to be unable to > register/license the bike. > leaving legal issues aside, for the practical concerns -- if there is any problem passing inspection next year, i will fork over the three or four bills for a new header pipe and complete the SuperTrapp system ... or i'll double it if i have no fix for my present situation and i'll buy a whole new system (and ebay my current, untouched '10 SuperTrapp slipons) > AND.......you've exhibited dorkapotomus behavior by taking power tools to a new > machine and destroying a component that's an integral part of the fuel > management system. > while my admittedly-spotty internet research suggests the cat isn't crucial to the system, but is instead a parasite, i imagine if you've seen the videos i've posted then you are being generous in fact, calling me a dorkapotomus rather than an inept yuppie rub or whatever you really think i am > Would you mind explaining to me what the O2 sensor on the bike does now that the > readings in the exhaust are WAY out of range because the cat is gone, and with > readings out of range how does the ECM compensate the EFI???? > why no, of course i can't ^_^ > I know the newer bikes have a closed loop system, and can compensate to some > degree for changes in the system (much like a car), but for readings that are > out of range???? > not to make it worse, but wouldn't this be the #1 thing to look for in a tuner? in other words, which is more adaptive? PCV or SEST or TTS? > Has the diagnostic system set a code yet, and when the check engine light comes > on because of this (won't say it will, but it may)......what dealer do ya think > will fix it for ya since ya took a hole saw and a clothes hanger to the > catalytic converter??? > no codes thrown yet, bike runs nearly identically (happily my foot is cooler, and sadly the timbre and pitch of the engine is unchanged) my dealer has you all beat on thinking i'm king of dunces - i don't imagine they would check the header, and from what i've gathered since the day i've picked up my bike i'm pretty sure they're going to lock me out in the cold no matter what comes up =/ and don't worry, i've already promised not to "whine" here if anything goes wrong ... in fact i don't think i'll initiate any posts for a while, how's that? > Jeeze, I recently saw a Road King set a trouble code when a Garmin GPS system on > the bike crapped out........<sfsf> > not that i need to disclaimer my lack of expertise in THIS thread, but .... my lack of expertise notwithstanding, how the hell could that happen? aren't the GPS units just sitting in mounts on the bars or whatever? was it drawing power from the battery? maybe it shorted? i doubt any of those units are waterproof or are you trying to tease me? i must now close this post as the painters were in today and they put a giant, capital "G" on the ceiling and i must investigate it
From: Bob Mann on 11 Nov 2009 22:12
"TL Mitchell" <tlmitchell99(a)earthlink.net> wrote in news:NaudnfLwlM4lu2bXnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com: > "Bob Mann" <bobmann(a)mtsremove.net> wrote > >> Actually, it's going to have less back pressure, run leaner and >> therefore hotter for the engine. > > How much do the dealers get skooled on the Adaptive Learning features > of the '07+ ECMs? > > 112 > > > Maybe the techs but I've heard nothing. It's true, I'm going by my experiences with the '09s. I keep forgetting they changed the system. OTOH, how much modoficationh is too much? Seems removing the cat could be too much. -- Bob Mann Cap'n, ah need moor pow'r. |