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From: zymurgy on 10 May 2010 15:02 On May 10, 7:31 pm, ogden <og...(a)pre.org> wrote: > malc wrote: > > Krusty wrote: > > > Champ wrote: > > > What I don't quite understand is why people think a coalition and/or PR is > > such a bad thing. It works for the Germans among others. > > Our political system is based on conflict. This is the first time since > the war that the main parliamentary parties have had to sit down and > negotiate with each other on a broad basis and they're simply not used to it. > > One problem we have is that there are three significant parties > involved. It means the two big boys are fighting over the attentions of > the the popular girl from the year below. It's like a divorcing couple > fighting over the affections of the family dog - he waves Winalot, she > offers sausages, what the dog wants is a juicy steak. Your analogies are growing on me. Well done, Centurion. Paul.
From: ogden on 10 May 2010 15:11 steve auvache wrote: > In article <MPG.26526499a491f50598a29b(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > ogden <ogden(a)pre.org> writes > >steve auvache wrote: > >> In article <MPG.2652616270fe7b4b98a298(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > >> ogden <ogden(a)pre.org> writes > >> > > >> >One problem we have is that there are three significant parties > >> >involved. > >> > >> No there are two and an additional bunch of opportunist louts who see a > >> not to be missed chance to push their discredited minority agendas on a > >> public who did not vote for them. > > > >Con: 36% > >Lab: 29% > >Lib: 23% > > > >Remind me, which one isn't the minority? > > At least 75% of the voting electorate did not for a party offering PR as > a manifesto commitment. That does not equate to a libdem mandate for > forcing it on the majority and yet it seems to be forming the not-for- > discussion basis of any future agreement. I'd be astonished if the LDs tried to *force* PR on the electorate. A referendum is a gamble, one I'm sure they'd rather not take, but they're called the Liberal Democrats, not the Dictatorial Autocrats. If it happens, it'll be by democratic process. -- ogden | gsxr1000 | rgv250
From: Wicked Uncle Nigel on 10 May 2010 16:10 Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Jim <nul(a)0.0.0.0> typed >He's resigned > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8672859.stm LOL! Current headline on the Beeb's news ticker: "Cabinet is finished". -- Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" I've always been a man who's open to persuasion
From: steve auvache on 10 May 2010 16:17 In article <MPG.2652715b5ae37d6298a29d(a)news.eternal-september.org>, ogden <ogden(a)pre.org> writes > >They're fighting for what they believe in. Oh the naivety of yoof. I remember holding views like that and I also thought that a razor blade was designed to last for 6 months. Time passes and I grew up and a dozen or two general elections and brands of gummint later I am not quite as convinced this is true as I once was. > They're fighting for people >to have the opportunity to choose to fix a broken system. No, they are fighting for a reserved seat on the gravy train. Something they have not enjoyed for nearly a hundred years. > >If you want to accuse a party of obstructing a deal to suit their own >interests, accuse the Tories. They're the ones blocking a referendum on >PR It is what they believe in and like them or loath them at least they are having the balls to stick to their ideals. Mind you, I suppose that the libdems whoring themselves around the halls of Westminster is an ideal of sorts and gawd bless them for being consistent, it makes them a much clearer target than they have been in generations. > - a concession that gives people a >choice at their own expense - we might have a stable government >tomorrow. Not if parliament is at war with itself. If you want strong stable government you don't want PR. -- steve auvache VN750 Third gear has scope. SR250 The SpazzTrakka (Improved).
From: Champ on 10 May 2010 16:34
On Mon, 10 May 2010 20:39:44 +0100, ogden <ogden(a)pre.org> wrote: >If you want to accuse a party of obstructing a deal to suit their own >interests, accuse the Tories. They're the ones blocking a referendum on >PR And award for the most quickly out-of-date usenet post goes to... -- Champ We declare that the splendor of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. ZX10R | Hayabusa | GPz750turbo neal at champ dot org dot uk |