Do Red-Light cams show the light red as well as license plate photo?
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From: k_flynn on 7 Mar 2007 14:39 Steve Furbish wrote: > Nate Nagel wrote: > > Scott en Aztlán wrote: > >> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist(a)gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: > >> > >> > >>> It is possible to set yellow > >>> light timing such that it is *impossible not to get ticketed* at an > >>> RLC intersection. > >> > >> > >> As worded, your assertion is trivial to disprove. If I enter the > >> intersection when the light is green, I will not get ticketed. > >> Perhaps you would care to rephrase? > > > > It is possible to set yellow timing such that when traveling at or near > > the legal speed limit, it is impossible not to get ticketed at a certain > > intersection. > > > > better? > > > > nate > > Sorry Nate, but driving is a bit more complicated than simply going the > legal speed and noticing a yellow light once you are too close to do > much about it. We all know that if we approach a light that has been > green since it first came into view it's going to change sooner or later > and we should know that when we approach a radio loop controlled > intersection and there are cars lined up on the cross street that a > light change is imminent. Driving is more than being legal and oblivious. Understanding that a yellow signal might come on and being able to stop in the remaining distance if it does are two separate things. A short-timed yellow is a life-safety hazard. Time the signals for the flow of traffic and nearly no one gets hurt -- or ticketed.
From: britman37 on 7 Mar 2007 12:06 Doc;843010 Wrote: > The issue of red-light cams has come up in Florida. An article in > today's paper doesn't seem to indicate that there's any method to > prove that the light was actually red when the car went through the > intersection - such as a second photo showing your vehicle in the > intersection and the light. > > In states where these systems are in place, do they include any such > evidence to verify the red light or is it simply assumed that the > system is perfect, that the photo of your plate was taken properly and > that of course you were in violation? the ones ive seen in the uk when i lived there took a pic when the light turned to amber and then red just to show that you had run a red light but what the lights dont show is that you where to clouse to the light to stop safely and then people started fighting the ticket they got in the mail with a pic showing them running the light its had to see who was driving or riding from a pic that shows the back of the car or bike -- britman37(a)yahoo.com
From: Matthew T. Russotto on 7 Mar 2007 18:18 In article <pan.2007.03.02.02.01.02.256446(a)hotpop.com>, Steve Furbish <sfurbish(a)hotpop.com> wrote: >On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:58:30 -0600, Brent P wrote: > >> Many a local/state government has made many traffic tickets civil matters to >> avoid the requirements of criminal court. > >Of course they have. Jury trials for something as common as speeding cases >or red light cases would be prohibitively expensive. Then perhaps the states should write laws the populace is willing to follow. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one.
From: Matthew T. Russotto on 7 Mar 2007 18:25 In article <pan.2007.03.02.02.58.52.56582(a)hotpop.com>, Steve Furbish <sfurbish(a)hotpop.com> wrote: > >Something tells me that even you wouldn't want a world where discretionary >enforcement didn't exist. You'd be left with something a lot more similar >to those traffic ticket cameras that seem to been catalyst to this thread. Traffic ticket cameras aren't a problem because they don't have discretion. They're a problem (among other reasons) because they can't distinguish between cases where the law was broken and cases where it was not. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one.
From: Bruce Richmond on 7 Mar 2007 19:56
On Mar 7, 10:21 am, Steve Furbish <sfurb...(a)hotpop.com> wrote: > Nate Nagel wrote: > > Scott en Aztlán wrote: > >> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschem...(a)gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: > > >>> It is possible to set yellow > >>> light timing such that it is *impossible not to get ticketed* at an > >>> RLC intersection. > > >> As worded, your assertion is trivial to disprove. If I enter the > >> intersection when the light is green, I will not get ticketed. > >> Perhaps you would care to rephrase? > > > It is possible to set yellow timing such that when traveling at or near > > the legal speed limit, it is impossible not to get ticketed at a certain > > intersection. > > > better? > > > nate > > Sorry Nate, but driving is a bit more complicated than simply going the > legal speed and noticing a yellow light once you are too close to do > much about it. We all know that if we approach a light that has been > green since it first came into view it's going to change sooner or later > and we should know that when we approach a radio loop controlled > intersection and there are cars lined up on the cross street that a > light change is imminent. Driving is more than being legal and oblivious. > > Steve We should not need to be clairvoient. There are lights around here that stay green until someone pulls up on the side road. That makes sense doesn't it? Why have somone slow down or stop for no reason? All it takes is setting the light so the yellow stays on long enough so that drivers can slow at a reasonable pace if the yellow comes on. If the yellow comes on when they are so close that they would have to slam brakes to not enter the intersection, then the yellow should stay on long enough for them to clear the intersection while doing speed limit. Anything less is stacking the deck aginst drivers and is counter to safety. Bruce Richmond |