From: The Older Gentleman on
Shaun <shaun.jamesonspam(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:21:01 -0700 (PDT), antonye <antonye(a)ukrm.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Ever wondered how strong they are?
>
> The Japanese have and fit chains.
>
> They also looked at the advantages of desmodromic valve gear and
> decided to fit springs.
>
> Ducati - finding expensive, maintenance intensive solutions to
> problems that don't exist.

Nice troll :-))


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From: Shaun on
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:25:28 -0700 (PDT), antonye <antonye(a)ukrm.net>
wrote:

>Shaun wrote:
>> antonye wrote:
>>
>> >Ever wondered how strong they are?
>>
>> The Japanese have and fit chains.
>
>Heh. "Honda VF".
>
>If you'd have said "gear drive" you would have appeared
>much, much smarter. ;-)

Expensive solution that was tried and abandoned 25 years ago.

>
>> They also looked at the advantages of desmodromic valve gear
>> and decided to fit springs.
>
>Funny how the Ducati MotoGP bikes rev higher than the Jap
>bikes and don't suffer from valve bounce, whereas the Yamahas
>are experimenting with pneumatic valves to keep up!

Really, how many are in the shops ?

On road bikes both are totally irrelevant


>
>> Ducati - finding expensive, maintenance intensive solutions
>> to problems that don't exist.
>
>I don't see =A340 every two years as expensive for replacing
>belts, and it's hardly difficult to do either, let alone
>intensive. If you've got the belt gauge it takes 10 minutes
>to change the belts. Done as part of an all-round service
>routine you'd hardly notice it.
>
Compared to a chain which effectively lasts the life of the bike and
doesn't snap destroying the engine.

Oh and the replacement period is rubbish as the ones in cars last 4
times as long and probably cost less to replace than your Ducati
dealer would charge.
From: Simon Wilson on
On 29/03/2010 23:25, antonye wrote:

> If you've got the belt gauge

Type 1 index finger?

<press>

"That's about right".

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From: DozynSleepy on
On 30/03/2010 07:15, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Shaun<shaun.jamesonspam(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:21:01 -0700 (PDT), antonye<antonye(a)ukrm.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ever wondered how strong they are?
>>
>> The Japanese have and fit chains.
>>
>> They also looked at the advantages of desmodromic valve gear and
>> decided to fit springs.
>>
>> Ducati - finding expensive, maintenance intensive solutions to

Show me a superbike that isn't expensive and intensive to maintain ?

This table of World Superbike Champions / FIM SBK / WSBK from 1988 to
2009 shows 16 to Ducati, 5 to Honda and one to Suzuki

http://www.motorsportsetc.com/champs/wsbk.htm

Analysis anyone ?

>> problems that don't exist.

Such as ?

>
> Nice troll :-))

http://www.bluming.com/projects/desmo.htm
<fx: retard voice >
Pretty picture
<fx: pulls hook from mouth >


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From: TOG on
On 30 Mar, 08:13, shaun.jamesons...(a)ntlworld.com (Shaun) wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:25:28 -0700 (PDT), antonye <anto...(a)ukrm.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Shaun wrote:
> >> antonye wrote:
>
> >> >Ever wondered how strong they are?
>
> >> The Japanese have and fit chains.
>
> >Heh. "Honda VF".
>
> >If you'd have said "gear drive" you would have appeared
> >much, much smarter. ;-)
>
> Expensive solution that was tried and abandoned 25 years ago.
>
Complete and utter nonsense.
>
<snip>
>
> Compared to a chain which effectively lasts the life of the bike and
> doesn't snap destroying the engine.

Or a camchain tensioner that fails?
>
> Oh and the replacement period is rubbish as the ones in cars last 4
> times as long

Because the car belts are at least four times as long, and therefore
the load per tooth is a quarter. Oh, you didn't think of that.

> and probably cost less to replace than your Ducati
> dealer would charge.

There really is no limit to your ignorance, is there? Last year,
Classic Bike did a nice step-by-step article on Ducati belt
replacement which showed it could be done in half an hour, both belts.
There's a video on YouTube which shows it being done, in one take, and
the time was about nine minutes. Admittedly, on an engine out of the
bike and on a workbench stand, but still it's far quicker than the
ignorant[1] think.

[1] That's you, sweetie.