From: Simian on 31 Mar 2010 05:16 ogden wrote: > SteveH wrote: > > > If you're buying from a brand such as Ducati, you are essentially > > buying the 2-wheeled equivalent of a Ferrari > > If you buy a Desmoseidici or, to a lesser degree, a top-end MV > Augusta, you're buying the 2-wheeled equivalent of a Ferrari. > > If you buy a high-end Ducati (916/996/1098) you're buying the > 2-wheeled equivalent of an Alfa Romeo. > > If you buy a low-end Ducati (900ss, etc) you're buying the 2-wheeled > equivalent of a Fiat Punto with a Lancia badge slapped on the front. Fishing aside, it's more like the motorbike equivalent of a Porsche: Ducati Desmosedici RR - Porsche 911 GT3 Ducati 1098 / 1198 - Porsche 911 Ducati 900ss - Porsche 356 The GSXR would be, I dunno, an Evo10 FQ-400 or something.
From: Catman on 31 Mar 2010 05:22 Lozzo wrote: > darsy wrote: > > >> coming up to date, I understand the later models of the Mitsubishi >> Lancer Evo are putting out over two hundred bhp per litre. >> >> Forced induction is possible also considered as cheating. > > The Evo 4 5 and 6 are rated at 280bhp, I'm not sure about the 7 and > onwards. I don't really like the look of the later ones anyway. > Blimey, us that all. -- Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) 116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 GTV TS GT 3.2 V6 Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see. www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk
From: Adrian on 31 Mar 2010 05:28 italiancar(a)gmail.com (SteveH) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > I look forward to you showing us numerous examples of 1.1 litre V4 car > engines.... especially ones of all alloy construction with 100bhp. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Fulvia OK, it only got to 83bhp/litre - but, to be fair, that was in the early '70s. Alloy head & crankcase, but a cast iron block - I dunno if that disqualifies it for you?
From: Ace on 31 Mar 2010 05:59 On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 02:23:28 -0700 (PDT), "TOG(a)Toil" <totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >On 31 Mar, 08:07, Ace <b.rog...(a)ifrance.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:29:41 +0100, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk >> >> (The Older Gentleman) wrote: >> >> 100hp per litre. >> >> >Yeah, but forty years or more after Japanese production motorcycles >> >managed it. >> >> Really? Which was that then? ISTR that milestone happening closer to >> 1980 than 1970. > >Just about any two-stroke? Well some of them, sure, although you're right in inferring that I was really meaning four strokes. And ref your point lower down, I was also thinking about big ones (fnaar) and although I think the H1 was nominally higher than 50bhp (but really?), not many of the others were, even at quoted figures. ISTR neither the H2 nor the kettle were much more than 65-70. >For four-strokes, Honda's little CB125T was knocking out something >like 13-14 real-world bhp (17 claimed) in 1977. 33 years ago. >I think its CB92 >sportster of the previous decade was over 100bhp/litre, too. Furry muff, that's one. >Kawasaki's Z650 was 64bhp claimed, so fractionally under the 100bhp >bar, but close enough. Again, not even close to 40+ years ago.
From: ogden on 31 Mar 2010 06:03
Simian wrote: > ogden wrote: > > > SteveH wrote: > > > > > If you're buying from a brand such as Ducati, you are essentially > > > buying the 2-wheeled equivalent of a Ferrari > > > > If you buy a Desmoseidici or, to a lesser degree, a top-end MV > > Augusta, you're buying the 2-wheeled equivalent of a Ferrari. > > > > If you buy a high-end Ducati (916/996/1098) you're buying the > > 2-wheeled equivalent of an Alfa Romeo. > > > > If you buy a low-end Ducati (900ss, etc) you're buying the 2-wheeled > > equivalent of a Fiat Punto with a Lancia badge slapped on the front. > > Fishing aside, it's more like the motorbike equivalent of a Porsche: > > Ducati Desmosedici RR - Porsche 911 GT3 > Ducati 1098 / 1198 - Porsche 911 > Ducati 900ss - Porsche 356 Ducati 750ss / 748 - Toyota MR2 with F355 bodykit. Ducati Monster - Suzuki Jimny. -- ogden | gsxr1000 | rgv250 |