From: Simian on
ogden wrote:

> SteveH wrote:
>
> > If you're buying from a brand such as Ducati, you are essentially
> > buying the 2-wheeled equivalent of a Ferrari
>
> If you buy a Desmoseidici or, to a lesser degree, a top-end MV
> Augusta, you're buying the 2-wheeled equivalent of a Ferrari.
>
> If you buy a high-end Ducati (916/996/1098) you're buying the
> 2-wheeled equivalent of an Alfa Romeo.
>
> If you buy a low-end Ducati (900ss, etc) you're buying the 2-wheeled
> equivalent of a Fiat Punto with a Lancia badge slapped on the front.

Fishing aside, it's more like the motorbike equivalent of a Porsche:

Ducati Desmosedici RR - Porsche 911 GT3
Ducati 1098 / 1198 - Porsche 911
Ducati 900ss - Porsche 356

The GSXR would be, I dunno, an Evo10 FQ-400 or something.

From: Catman on
Lozzo wrote:
> darsy wrote:
>
>
>> coming up to date, I understand the later models of the Mitsubishi
>> Lancer Evo are putting out over two hundred bhp per litre.
>>
>> Forced induction is possible also considered as cheating.
>
> The Evo 4 5 and 6 are rated at 280bhp, I'm not sure about the 7 and
> onwards. I don't really like the look of the later ones anyway.
>

Blimey, us that all.

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From: Adrian on
italiancar(a)gmail.com (SteveH) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

> I look forward to you showing us numerous examples of 1.1 litre V4 car
> engines.... especially ones of all alloy construction with 100bhp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Fulvia

OK, it only got to 83bhp/litre - but, to be fair, that was in the early
'70s. Alloy head & crankcase, but a cast iron block - I dunno if that
disqualifies it for you?
From: Ace on
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 02:23:28 -0700 (PDT), "TOG(a)Toil"
<totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On 31 Mar, 08:07, Ace <b.rog...(a)ifrance.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:29:41 +0100, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk
>>
>> (The Older Gentleman) wrote:

>> >> 100hp per litre.
>>
>> >Yeah, but forty years or more after Japanese production motorcycles
>> >managed it.
>>
>> Really? Which was that then? ISTR that milestone happening closer to
>> 1980 than 1970.
>
>Just about any two-stroke?

Well some of them, sure, although you're right in inferring that I was
really meaning four strokes. And ref your point lower down, I was also
thinking about big ones (fnaar) and although I think the H1 was
nominally higher than 50bhp (but really?), not many of the others
were, even at quoted figures. ISTR neither the H2 nor the kettle were
much more than 65-70.

>For four-strokes, Honda's little CB125T was knocking out something
>like 13-14 real-world bhp (17 claimed) in 1977.

33 years ago.

>I think its CB92
>sportster of the previous decade was over 100bhp/litre, too.

Furry muff, that's one.

>Kawasaki's Z650 was 64bhp claimed, so fractionally under the 100bhp
>bar, but close enough.

Again, not even close to 40+ years ago.

From: ogden on
Simian wrote:
> ogden wrote:
>
> > SteveH wrote:
> >
> > > If you're buying from a brand such as Ducati, you are essentially
> > > buying the 2-wheeled equivalent of a Ferrari
> >
> > If you buy a Desmoseidici or, to a lesser degree, a top-end MV
> > Augusta, you're buying the 2-wheeled equivalent of a Ferrari.
> >
> > If you buy a high-end Ducati (916/996/1098) you're buying the
> > 2-wheeled equivalent of an Alfa Romeo.
> >
> > If you buy a low-end Ducati (900ss, etc) you're buying the 2-wheeled
> > equivalent of a Fiat Punto with a Lancia badge slapped on the front.
>
> Fishing aside, it's more like the motorbike equivalent of a Porsche:
>
> Ducati Desmosedici RR - Porsche 911 GT3
> Ducati 1098 / 1198 - Porsche 911
> Ducati 900ss - Porsche 356

Ducati 750ss / 748 - Toyota MR2 with F355 bodykit.

Ducati Monster - Suzuki Jimny.

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