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From: ? on 28 May 2010 20:41
On May 28, 3:40 pm, "TMack"
<tonyREMOVECAPSmac...(a)REMOVECAPS.dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> If you are referring to the process of ensuring that the cam is exactly in
> the right position, that will only optimise an engine in its existing
> configuration. Given that nobody has EVER got more than 29 bhp out of a
> stock S40 I fail to see how additional precision in cam alignment is going
> to magically deliver another 21 bhp.

Are you still riding your keyboard? I had a nice ride up to Giant
Forest and back, only to find that you're still going on about your
misunderstanding of what camshaft degreeing does for an engine's power
delivery...

> Even a performance cam will only provide a small improvement in that
> engine. People have tried a variety of
> different grinds on the S40 cam but none have achieved more than a
> relatively small improvement in horsepower - certainly not another 21 bhp..

Oh, you're a camshaft expert, are you?

You should tell Keith and Sean about all the cams available for S40's,
because they are Savage owners.

Especially Keith, he's a savage himself...
From: TMack on 29 May 2010 03:56
? wrote:
> On May 28, 3:40 pm, "TMack"
> <tonyREMOVECAPSmac...(a)REMOVECAPS.dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>> If you are referring to the process of ensuring that the cam is
>> exactly in the right position, that will only optimise an engine in
>> its existing configuration. Given that nobody has EVER got more than
>> 29 bhp out of a stock S40 I fail to see how additional precision in
>> cam alignment is going to magically deliver another 21 bhp.
>
> Are you still riding your keyboard? I had a nice ride up to Giant
> Forest and back, only to find that you're still going on about your
> misunderstanding of what camshaft degreeing does for an engine's power
> delivery...

Well why don't you tell us then? Explain how degreeing the cam in an S40
engine can produce a 70% gain in bhp

> Oh, you're a camshaft expert, are you?

No, but these guys are http://www.webcamshafts.com/ They have tried a
variety of grinds on the Savage/S40 cam and have not been able to produce
more than a small improvement.

> You should tell Keith and Sean about all the cams available for S40's,
> because they are Savage owners.

They can find out anything they want to know by searching this forum
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl. Or they can contact Web Cam Racing
Camshafts at the link I have given. I also own a Savage. I am very familiar
with the engine (and its limitations). I have also fitted a performance cam
in one. Your claims about this engine are based on what exactly???

BTW - have you ever heard the saying "when you are in a deep hole its best
to stop digging"? Currently you appear to be sinking ever-deeper at a rapid
rate.

--
Tony
'04 Ducati ST3, '08 DL650GT,
97 TW200, '87 semi-rat LS650, OMF#24


From: S'mee on 29 May 2010 09:09
On May 29, 1:56 am, "TMack"
<tonyREMOVECAPSmac...(a)REMOVECAPS.dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> They can find out anything they want to know by searching this forumhttp://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl.  Or they can contact Web Cam Racing
> Camshafts at the link I have given. I also own a Savage.  I am very familiar
> with the engine (and its limitations).  I have also fitted a performance cam
> in one.  Your claims about this engine are based on what exactly???

heh you don't what to know what happens when one of the bolts for the
clutch basket backs out and takes out the drive gear for the oil
pump...
> BTW - have you ever heard the saying "when you are in a deep hole its best
> to stop digging"?  Currently you appear to be sinking ever-deeper at a rapid
> rate.

he isn't smart enough to figure it out.
From: Beav on 29 May 2010 15:30


"The Older Gentleman" <totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1jj7trs.d4wskguvuu0kN%totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk...
> ? <breoganmacbrath(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> > Getting
>> > back to where this started: "degreeing the cams" (whatever that is
>> > supposed
>> > to mean) is not going to turn a 29 bhp stock bike into 50 bhp.
>>
>> I said 47 horsepower, not 50.
>
> "As I pointed out to Sean *before* he bought his S40, you can get 50
> horsepower out of that engine by degreeing the cams."
>
> Or do you now claim that post wasn't made by you?

He can't hear you TOG, he's gone motorcycle riding :-)

--
Beav

From: S'mee on 29 May 2010 16:53
On May 29, 1:30 pm, "Beav" <beavis.origi...(a)ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:
> "The Older Gentleman" <totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:1jj7trs.d4wskguvuu0kN%totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk...
>
> > ? <breoganmacbr...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Getting
> >> > back to where this started: "degreeing the cams" (whatever that is
> >> > supposed
> >> > to mean) is not going to turn a 29 bhp stock bike into 50 bhp.
>
> >> I said 47 horsepower, not 50.
>
> > "As I pointed out to Sean *before* he bought his S40, you can get 50
> > horsepower out of that engine by degreeing the cams."
>
> > Or do you now claim that post wasn't made by you?
>
> He can't hear you TOG, he's gone motorcycle riding :-)

IF he rides then I'm the second coming of Gligamesh...
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