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From: Catman on 14 Oct 2009 06:51 Jim wrote: > Catman wrote: >> Jim wrote: >>> Krusty wrote: >>>> Mine! A "reasonable" level is zero known bugs, & a release doesn't go >>>> out until we get there. Sometimes that means all hands on deck for >>>> stupid amounts of hours if we have to hit a deadline for regulatory >>>> reasons, but such is life. >>> >>> That's over the top, unless you're writing software for aeroplanes or >>> weaponry or nuclear power stations. >>> >>> If you reckon you can only release your software when it has zero >>> known bugs in it then it just means you haven't found them all. No >>> software has zero defects, it's just a fact of life. >> >> The operative word is *known*. It's quite possible. IME however, most >> companies opt for a risk / benefit analysis of the known bugs. > > There is a tendency for developers not to report or discuss issues if > everything is treated as a "stop ship" bug. Well, we have a testing team who are accountable for finding defects. Wouldn't trust the developers. -- Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) 116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 GTV TS 156 V6 2.5 S2 Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see. www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk
From: Catman on 14 Oct 2009 06:51 Krusty wrote: > Jim wrote: > >> Krusty wrote: >>> Mine! A "reasonable" level is zero known bugs, & a release doesn't >>> go out until we get there. Sometimes that means all hands on deck >>> for stupid amounts of hours if we have to hit a deadline for >>> regulatory reasons, but such is life. >> That's over the top, unless you're writing software for aeroplanes or >> weaponry or nuclear power stations. > > Investment Management, so potentially very, very expensive if we get > things wrong, especially as we have direct interfaces to various > banking & trading systems. > >> If you reckon you can only release your software when it has zero >> known bugs in it then it just means you haven't found them all. No >> software has zero defects, it's just a fact of life. > > If they're "known", we obviously have found them. Bugs do of course > appear over time, but they're almost always related to dodgy migrated > data, or users doing things that nobody could predict. > s/nobody could predict/ were not predicted ;) -- Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) 116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 GTV TS 156 V6 2.5 S2 Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see. www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk
From: Tim on 14 Oct 2009 07:54 Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote: > Looks like you're being the subject of, what's the phrase? Oh yes: > > "They treat software release as a beta test!" > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8304229.stm A bit foolish upgrading to a new operating system without backing up all your data! Not trying to defend Apple or anything but users have to share a bit of the responsibility. Tim
From: Switters on 14 Oct 2009 08:25 On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:58:52 GMT, "Krusty" <dontwantany(a)nowhere.invalid> allegedly wrote: >> Name me one software company where the QA department can overrule the >> sales manager(s) and hold back a release because they haven't gotten >> the number of bugs down to a "reasonable" level. > > Mine! Mine too. If it's broke, it doesn't get released.
From: Champ on 14 Oct 2009 08:43
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:46:44 +0100, Jim <null(a)0.0.0.0> wrote: >Krusty wrote: >> Mine! A "reasonable" level is zero known bugs, & a release doesn't go >> out until we get there. Sometimes that means all hands on deck for >> stupid amounts of hours if we have to hit a deadline for regulatory >> reasons, but such is life. >That's over the top, unless you're writing software for aeroplanes or >weaponry or nuclear power stations. Swot I was thinking. If my place only released stuff with zero known defects, nothing would ever get out the door. Surely it's accepted that some bugs are not serious enough to hold up a release? Any mature software delivery function makes these sorts of decisions all the time. -- Champ We declare that the splendor of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. ZX10R | Hayabusa | GPz750turbo neal at champ dot org dot uk |