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From: Lozzo on 15 Jun 2010 16:01 Higgins wrote: > SteveH wrote: > >Lozzo <lozzo(a)lozzo.org.uk> wrote: > > > > > The GM > > > diesels are all that bad, they've been around long enough to be > > > sorted and I've had them in the past with no problems. > > > > If it's a 1.9, then it's a Fiat / Alfa JTD lump. Which is utterly > > bomb-proof until Saab and Vauxhall get their hands on it, when it > > appears to give issues. > > > > I understand that the DMF is just as shite in FIAT[1] as it is in a > GM. The benefit of GM is that it doesn't say FIAT on the front. > > [1]By any name So in other words, avoid the diesel Saabs because both the engines they use are shite? Right, what petrol one to go for then? -- Lozzo Versys 650 Tourer, CBR600F-W racebike in the making, TS250C, RD400F (somewhere)
From: SteveH on 15 Jun 2010 16:01 Lozzo <lozzo(a)lozzo.org.uk> wrote: > > If it's a 1.9, then it's a Fiat / Alfa JTD lump. Which is utterly > > bomb-proof until Saab and Vauxhall get their hands on it, when it > > appears to give issues. > > So what do Saab or Vauxhall do to this supposedly bomb-proof 1.9 engine > to make unrelaible? I've read up on some horror stores about the 2.2, > enough of them to put me off. I'm very dubious about buying anything > with a Fiat/Alfa engine tbh. As I understand it, they run with a GM ECU, which appears to be the source of the issues. The installation is also different - in the 156 that engine is known for being smooth, powerful and refined - in GM products it is criticised for being harsh and, at times, gutless. -- SteveH
From: SteveH on 15 Jun 2010 16:03 Higgins <the.best.names.are.gone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I understand that the DMF is just as shite in FIAT[1] as it is in a GM. > The benefit of GM is that it doesn't say FIAT on the front. > > [1]By any name Show me a manufacturer who hasn't had issues with DMFs. Ford have had issues - and they're a complete PITA to replace on the Mondeo, allegedly requiring a body jig to ensure the front subframe is put back on properly, and I had to have the DMF replaced on my Passat TDI. Much as I like the Saab 9-5, the Saab badge comes with a worse reputation than anything that has come out of Italy in recent years. -- SteveH
From: SteveH on 15 Jun 2010 16:05 Lozzo <lozzo(a)lozzo.org.uk> wrote: > Right, what petrol one to go for then? 9-5 with the 2.3 HOT. The 2.3t (LPT) has issues with oil sludging. The 2.0 is just a turbocharged Vauxhall lump. 9-3s are nowhere near as well built as 9-5s either. -- SteveH
From: Simon Wilson on 15 Jun 2010 16:20
On 15/06/2010 20:02, Lozzo wrote: > > I'm not in the habit of filling up my diesels with petrol, I learned > from the one mistake I did make when I got my Golf in 2004. You might not be, but of course you never know about the previous owner. My expensive experiences with common rail diesel has made me think very seriously about ever buying another second hand one. In our case the pump lasted a year before giving up expensive stylee. -- /Simon |