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From: TOG on 9 Dec 2009 08:38 On 9 Dec, 12:37, .p.jm.(a)see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:35:32 -0800 (PST), "TOG(a)Toil" > > > > <totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >On 9 Dec, 07:52, Twibil <nowayjo...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Dec 8, 11:15 pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older > > >> Gentleman) wrote: > >> > <.p.jm.(a)see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote: > >> > > Which is only ~ > >> > > 150 years, since the invention of the thermometer. > > >> > Um, no. They've only been keeping records for about that long. Galileo > >> > is generally credited with inventing the thermometer, rather more than > >> > 150 years ago. > > >> Besides which, ice cores taken from glaciers/ice caps around the world > >> provide an excellent extrapolation of world-wide temperature > >> variations that can extend up to a million years back in time. > > >True. Any variation over a decade is statistically insignificant (we > >did this before, didn't we?) but the latest UN data rather puts the > >kybosh on anyone saying that the last decade has got cooler. Unless > >you're in North America, of course. > > And you TRUST 'UN data' at this point in time ???? > Hm. Good point. Well, more than some. I trust the UN rather more than I did, ever since it said that Saddam didn't have weapons of maths instruction, before the cowboys rode in.
From: .p.jm. on 9 Dec 2009 08:51 On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:38:43 -0800 (PST), "TOG(a)Toil" <totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >On 9 Dec, 12:37, .p.jm.(a)see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote: >> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:35:32 -0800 (PST), "TOG(a)Toil" >> >> >> >> <totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >On 9 Dec, 07:52, Twibil <nowayjo...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Dec 8, 11:15�pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older >> >> >> Gentleman) wrote: >> >> > <.p.jm.(a)see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote: >> >> > > Which is only ~ >> >> > > 150 years, since the invention of the thermometer. � >> >> >> > Um, no. They've only been keeping records for about that long. Galileo >> >> > is generally credited with inventing the thermometer, rather more than >> >> > 150 years ago. >> >> >> Besides which, ice cores taken from glaciers/ice caps around the world >> >> provide an excellent extrapolation of world-wide temperature >> >> variations that can extend up to a million years back in time. >> >> >True. Any variation over a decade is statistically insignificant (we >> >did this before, didn't we?) but the latest UN data rather puts the >> >kybosh on anyone saying that the last decade has got cooler. Unless >> >you're in North America, of course. >> >> � � � � And you TRUST 'UN data' at this point in time ???? >> >Hm. Good point. Well, more than some. I trust the UN rather more than >I did, ever since it said that Saddam didn't have weapons of maths >instruction, before the cowboys rode in. Ummm... the same UN that said : North Korea had no nuclear program - until Kim IL tested a couple of nukes ? Syria had no nuclear program - until Israel made it go 'bang' ? Iran had no nuclear program - until it was discovered that they do ? BTW - there is no such thing as 'UN climate data' - the IPCC is an aggregator, not a research unit. It takes reports from places like CRU and forms conclusions around them. -- Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm
From: TOG on 9 Dec 2009 10:13 On 9 Dec, 13:37, "don (Calgary)" <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:15:30 +0000, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The > > Older Gentleman) wrote: > >don (Calgary) <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > >> Not much new in that article. > > >> What we have seen in the past decade is a plateau in the rising > >> temperature and in fact very slight cooling. > > >Not what it says in the article, mind. > > >"The first decade of this century is "by far" the warmest since > >instrumental records began" > > But what it doesn't say is since 1998 the rise in temperatures stopped > and in fact dropped slightly. This is not inconsistent with also > saying the last decade is the warmest since instrumental records > began. > > It is warm, but against all of the models, temperatures plateaued and > dropped slightly from 98 to 2008. So? The trend has been for steady warming for a long time. You're going to get a downward blip every so often. Like we said, a time period of a lustrum or a decade isn't enough to draw any long-term conclusions. A century is more like it, but in geological times, it's an eye-blink. > > I will repeat the quote, as reported, from Kevin E. Trenberth, head of > the Climate Analysis Section at the National Center for Atmospheric > Research, The fact is we cant account for the lack of warming at the > moment and it is a travesty that we cant. > > A travesty! That is a strong word. > > So despite the "polluters" of the world pumping increasing amounts of > greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, temperatures dropped slightly > over the last ten years. Why? See above. The fact even global warming advocates > like Mr. Trenberth do not know is a little disconcerting. Especially > when these same advocates are attempting to siphon hundreds of > billions of dollars from our economies, to be given to developing > countries, all in the name of Global Warming. > > It appears it is less about the science than it is about a cash grab. > And that is a travesty. I don't think anyone's denying that the planet has been getting warmer, overall, on average, over the last century and a half. Unless you are? Whether it's man-made or not: ah, that's the question.
From: TOG on 9 Dec 2009 10:14 On 9 Dec, 13:51, .p.jm.(a)see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:38:43 -0800 (PST), "TOG(a)Toil" > > > > <totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >On 9 Dec, 12:37, .p.jm.(a)see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote: > >> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:35:32 -0800 (PST), "TOG(a)Toil" > > >> <totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> >On 9 Dec, 07:52, Twibil <nowayjo...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On Dec 8, 11:15 pm, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older > > >> >> Gentleman) wrote: > >> >> > <.p.jm.(a)see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote: > >> >> > > Which is only ~ > >> >> > > 150 years, since the invention of the thermometer. > > >> >> > Um, no. They've only been keeping records for about that long. Galileo > >> >> > is generally credited with inventing the thermometer, rather more than > >> >> > 150 years ago. > > >> >> Besides which, ice cores taken from glaciers/ice caps around the world > >> >> provide an excellent extrapolation of world-wide temperature > >> >> variations that can extend up to a million years back in time. > > >> >True. Any variation over a decade is statistically insignificant (we > >> >did this before, didn't we?) but the latest UN data rather puts the > >> >kybosh on anyone saying that the last decade has got cooler. Unless > >> >you're in North America, of course. > > >> And you TRUST 'UN data' at this point in time ???? > > >Hm. Good point. Well, more than some. I trust the UN rather more than > >I did, ever since it said that Saddam didn't have weapons of maths > >instruction, before the cowboys rode in. > > Ummm... the same UN that said : > > North Korea had no nuclear program - until Kim IL tested a > couple of nukes ? > > Syria had no nuclear program - until Israel made it > go 'bang' ? > > Iran had no nuclear program - until it was discovered that > they do ? Good point :-) > > BTW - there is no such thing as 'UN climate data' - the IPCC > is an aggregator, not a research unit. It takes reports from places > like CRU and forms conclusions around them. > "Whatevers" ;-)
From: Chuck Rhode on 9 Dec 2009 11:25
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:14:37 -0800, TOG(a)Toil wrote: > "Whatevers" ;-) Goddam! That's the same Emily Litella argument I get from everybody about Global Warming, particularly Anthropogenic Gobal Warming (AGW): "I don't know much about it, so how could you?" Well, let's just say Americans are going to find out more about it right away 'cause the EPA is going to teach us all we kneed to now. Everybody but everybody has bought the argument that there is a consensus among climate professionals that AGW is for real. This is patently *not the case,* and there are other rather more scientific disciplines credentialling professionals that beg to differ strongly, too. Man, the first thing I learned in lab is that Teacher is going to look at experimental measurements you take. These cats who are pushing the AGW bandwagon have never let anyone else see the numbers, much less the derivative procedures they used to conjure up their conclusions. So much for peer review. (We've heard this before about Enron and cooked books that oversight agencies overlooked.) It now appears as though they had good reason to know that the chain of custody for most of the measurements that they wanted to quote from around the world was rotten, rotten, rotten. -- ... Be Seeing You, ... Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA ... Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX ... 33° — Wind Calm — Sky overcast. Light snow; mist. |