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From: AH#104 on 24 Dec 2009 14:49 >>The federal government as it now exists is unconstitutional. > Exactly. Th' question is will it be fixed by mid-term elections or > rope n' lamp posts? I'm good with either one, both even. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtjfMjjce2Y
From: Bob Mann on 25 Dec 2009 11:19 Nasty <nasty(a)tampabay.rr.com> wrote in news:4b343451$0$4938 $9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com: > I don't think it's the bill so much as the it is the idea and the trend > of federal power expansion. I just want the federal government out of my > day to day life. I want them to stick to their constitutional duties. I > don't want them taking my money then using it to strong arm my state > into accepting some new federal something or other. This is just another > line in the sand, the battle lines are drawn, and have been before over > this issue, but this time it looks like it's gonna happen. And then the > federal government will REALLY improve their level of power. I'd like to > see a suit brought before the Supreme Court charging that the health > care bill is unconstitutional because the federal government doesn't > have the authority to enact it. Won't happen of course but, you asked > what formulates my and my friends opinion, so it's your fault! > Just wondering, innocently, what it is that has everyone's panties in a wad. A single payer system, would really have to be the government, with caps on liability would have to be more efficient than the mess you havenow. Would most likely cost almost everyone less out of pocket than private insurance, whether paid by employers or personally, would, if done properly, result in greater freedom of choice for service. The downside is that the government would be onvolved. I'm not seeing a problem with that. Many talk about waiting times yet most Americans have long wait times already because they have weak or no insurance. They talk about rationing or reduced service yet most have very poor service already. I think this is why a large number of people favour this bill because they believe that their situation can only get better. The ones against it have been convinced that the sky is falling when for most of them it will probably get better or remain the same as well. Government single payer, which is now out the window anyway, doesn't mean governemt run health care, it means private health care paid for by the government, ie. the taxpayer. In return, you get to keep thte insurance money. I'll bet most of you pay more in insurance one way or another than you would pay total taxes if it passed unscathed. -- Bob Mann Cap'n, ah need moor pow'r. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news(a)netfront.net ---
From: AH#104 on 25 Dec 2009 12:09 MrScottly#54 sed: >250 million Americans. I thought it was closer to 350... >46 million without insurance, I had heard 43. >11 million of those illegals. I heard 12. >That's not "most" Bob, that's some. And another 12 million who DON'T WANT insurance. Including my brother-in-law, and many young people. Won't pay for it on their own, and will pay the 'tax' for not having it.
From: Tommy Shannon on 25 Dec 2009 13:10 AH#104 wrote: > MrScottly#54 sed: > >> 250 million Americans. > > > I thought it was closer to 350... 308.227 million. http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html But who am I to nit pick? > >> 46 million without insurance, > I had heard 43. > >> 11 million of those illegals. > I heard 12. > >> That's not "most" Bob, that's some. > > > And another 12 million who DON'T WANT insurance. > Including my brother-in-law, and many young people. > Won't pay for it on their own, and will pay the 'tax' for not having it. Obamma and the Democratic congress just approved to raise the "deficit" another few trillion, and make us who have jobs pay the increased taxes to cover the morons.
From: JD on 25 Dec 2009 14:12
Steve Irving wrote: > On 12/25/2009 9:54 AM, MrScottly#54 wrote: > >>> >> >> Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!! I'll keep my over-priced private plan. >> Wanna see a shining example of government-run health care? Go to any >> VA center. When you are done crying from seeing the way these people >> are treated byt he VA system, you'll change your mind about some >> things, I'm convinced. > > I deal with the VA health system on a fairly regular basis. Their > service is top notch, even award winning in the health field. > > 40 years ago it was pretty sad......but it's improved tremendously. > I get my health care through VA too. It's worth every dime I pay for it but the cost to qualify is a little steep. I've seen service decline from Bush budget cuts while they ramped up military spending. Still, the VA is a great example of how universal health care could/should run. |