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From: Champ on 24 Sep 2009 18:43 On 24 Sep 2009 22:08:25 GMT, "Krusty" <dontwantany(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >Champ wrote: > >> I've run in a little complication with my intention to fit my race >> ZX10R engine in my road bike. >> >> The race motor really needs the race ECU. The race ECU only works >> with the race loom (it plugs into the road one, but just doesn't >> work). >First stop would surely be to ask the people who make the race ECU? It >may be something as simple as the sidestand or clutch cutout switches >need bypassing, or the immobiliser etc. I don't have a phone number for the Kawasaki race department, and even if I did my Japanese is limited. But you've got the nub of it, I suspect. It's not the sidestand, as the motor spins over (which it wouldn't with the stand down). But the road bike has an immobiliser - I'll bet it's something to do with that. I've been poring over the two wiring diagrams for the last hour trying to figure it out, and I've gone goggle-eyed. Time for bed. -- Champ ZX10R (road), ZX10R (race; breaking), GPz750 turbo (classic) Hayabusa (touring) To email me, neal at my domain should work.
From: Wicked Uncle Nigel on 24 Sep 2009 18:52 Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ <neal(a)champ.org.uk> typed >On 24 Sep 2009 22:08:25 GMT, "Krusty" <dontwantany(a)nowhere.invalid> >wrote: > >>Champ wrote: >> >>> I've run in a little complication with my intention to fit my race >>> ZX10R engine in my road bike. >>> >>> The race motor really needs the race ECU. The race ECU only works >>> with the race loom (it plugs into the road one, but just doesn't >>> work). > >>First stop would surely be to ask the people who make the race ECU? It >>may be something as simple as the sidestand or clutch cutout switches >>need bypassing, or the immobiliser etc. > >I don't have a phone number for the Kawasaki race department, and even >if I did my Japanese is limited. > >But you've got the nub of it, I suspect. It's not the sidestand, as >the motor spins over (which it wouldn't with the stand down). But the >road bike has an immobiliser - I'll bet it's something to do with >that. > >I've been poring over the two wiring diagrams for the last hour trying >to figure it out, and I've gone goggle-eyed. Time for bed. Didn't the Team UKRM 750 need a resistor appropriately inserted before it would play ball? A similar thing, perhaps? -- Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" I have already made the greatest contribution to the fight against climate change that I can make: I have decided not to breed. Now quit bugging me and go and talk to the Catholics.
From: wessie on 24 Sep 2009 19:07 Wicked Uncle Nigel <wun(a)wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote in news:MvhJ1llwg $uKJA4s(a)wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk: > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ >>I've been poring over the two wiring diagrams for the last hour trying >>to figure it out, and I've gone goggle-eyed. Time for bed. > > Didn't the Team UKRM 750 need a resistor appropriately inserted before > it would play ball? > You mean putting a Ferrier in the saddle didn't provide enough impedance? -- wessie at tesco dot net BMW R1150GS
From: Champ on 24 Sep 2009 19:09 On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:52:32 +0100, Wicked Uncle Nigel <wun(a)wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote: >>THe road bike has an immobiliser - I'll bet it's something to do with >>that. >Didn't the Team UKRM 750 need a resistor appropriately inserted before >it would play ball? A little light bulb went on above my heard when I recalled that, about an hour ago. >A similar thing, perhaps? Similar, but much, *much* more complicated. -- Champ ZX10R (road), ZX10R (race; breaking), GPz750 turbo (classic) Hayabusa (touring) To email me, neal at my domain should work.
From: Champ on 24 Sep 2009 19:14
On 24 Sep 2009 23:04:20 GMT, "Krusty" <dontwantany(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >> But you've got the nub of it, I suspect. It's not the sidestand, as >> the motor spins over (which it wouldn't with the stand down). But the >> road bike has an immobiliser - I'll bet it's something to do with >> that. >Do they have that horrible system where the ECU has to match the coded >ignition key? Yes. There's a thing called the 'immobilizer antenna' by the ignition switch, which (amongst other things) feeds an 'immobilizer amplifier'. In short, the key and the ECU are matched. There's a few people tried to put ZX10R engines in kit cars & sidecars without the original ignition key, and run into this problem. Which depressed me, until I realised that I have the opposite problem - I have an ECI that doesn't care about the ignition key at all. But, immobilizer will be expecting some sort of 'go' signal out of the ECU before it allows the fuel pump (and perhaps some other stuff) to run. The fuel pump not priming when I had the kit ECU plugged in is a big clue. So I *think* I just need to figure out how to bypass the immobilizer. >> I've been poring over the two wiring diagrams for the last hour trying >> to figure it out, and I've gone goggle-eyed. >Feel free to bung them over if they're emailable. I did some fairly >major loom chopping on RatTig & the Corvette so have a bit of >experience in such nightmares. They're big, but I'll try and send you something. -- Champ ZX10R (road), ZX10R (race; breaking), GPz750 turbo (classic) Hayabusa (touring) To email me, neal at my domain should work. |