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From: zymurgy on 24 Sep 2009 19:26 On Sep 25, 12:14 am, Champ <n...(a)champ.org.uk> wrote: > On 24 Sep 2009 23:04:20 GMT, "Krusty" <dontwant...(a)nowhere.invalid> > wrote: > > There's a thing called the 'immobilizer antenna' by the ignition > switch, which (amongst other things) feeds an 'immobilizer amplifier'. Ugh. > In short, the key and the ECU are matched. There's a few people tried > to put ZX10R engines in kit cars & sidecars without the original > ignition key, and run into this problem. > > Which depressed me, until I realised that I have the opposite problem > - I have an ECI that doesn't care about the ignition key at all. But, > immobilizer will be expecting some sort of 'go' signal out of the ECU > before it allows the fuel pump (and perhaps some other stuff) to run. > The fuel pump not priming when I had the kit ECU plugged in is a big clue.. > > So I *think* I just need to figure out how to bypass the immobilizer. Ah, the looms and ECU's i've worked with recently were pre-HISS days, thank god. Paul.
From: crn on 24 Sep 2009 20:40 Champ <neal(a)champ.org.uk> wrote: > > Similar, but much, *much* more complicated. Why make life so bloody complicated. You have a race loom and ECU, which includes all of the ignition gubbins. Fit them and forget about them. Now you want some lights and a horn. Grab a roll of wire, some tape and some connectors. Any light and horn switches that will fit the bars will be good enough. How difficult can it be ? -- 03 GS500K2 76 Honda 400/4 project 68 Bantam D14/4 Sport (Classic) 06 Sukida SK50QT (Slanty eyed shopping trolley)
From: The Older Gentleman on 25 Sep 2009 02:24 <crn(a)NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote: > How difficult can it be ? Ah, the mantra that accompanies any ukrm project or undertaking :-))) -- BMW K1100LT & K100RS Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F Triumph Street Triple Suzuki TS250ER Damn, back to six bikes! Try Googling before asking a damn silly question. chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
From: crn on 25 Sep 2009 04:15 Krusty <dontwantany(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > Try thinking about what a *modern* superbike has that a race bike > doesn't[1]. There's a lot more than 'some lights and a horn' involved, > & building a loom from scratch that's both reliable & fits in the very > limited space would not be easy. It wouldn't get around the immobiliser > problem either. If you put a race bike together with all of the race bike bits and ONLY race bike bits it should just work. No immobiliser and nothing that depends on having one. > [1] Neutral, fuel, oil, battery, temp & indicator warning lights, > clutch & sidestand switches, fan switch, speedo sensor, possibly > barometric & O2 sensors to name a few - all of which /could/ be > controlled through circuitry in the ECU that isn't present in the race > one. How many of these extras do you need to make a bike road legal ?. What is the objective ?. A road legal race bike or a complete road Kwak with a race engine ?. A problem simplified is a problem solved. -- 03 GS500K2 76 Honda 400/4 project 68 Bantam D14/4 Sport (Classic) 06 Sukida SK50QT (Slanty eyed shopping trolley)
From: Champ on 25 Sep 2009 04:34
On 25 Sep 2009 08:15:06 GMT, crn(a)NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote: >Krusty <dontwantany(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >> Try thinking about what a *modern* superbike has that a race bike >> doesn't[1]. There's a lot more than 'some lights and a horn' involved, >> & building a loom from scratch that's both reliable & fits in the very >> limited space would not be easy. It wouldn't get around the immobiliser >> problem either. >> [1] Neutral, fuel, oil, battery, temp & indicator warning lights, >> clutch & sidestand switches, fan switch, speedo sensor, possibly >> barometric & O2 sensors to name a few - all of which /could/ be >> controlled through circuitry in the ECU that isn't present in the race >> one. >How many of these extras do you need to make a bike road legal ?. >What is the objective ?. A road legal race bike or a complete road Kwak >with a race engine ?. This is actually a useful clarification. My objective is specifically not to have a 'race bike on the road', with cobbled together road ancillaries. I want a road bike with race spec components, but I still want all the features of the road bike, and I want it to be completely usable as a road bike. Anyway, see my other posts - the problem is almost certainly around the immobiliser, which I'm sure can be sorted (as the US model doesn't even have the immobiliser). -- Champ We declare that the splendor of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. ZX10R | Hayabusa | GPz750turbo neal at champ dot org dot uk |