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From: ` on 2 Aug 2010 20:22 On Aug 2, 11:22 am, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...(a)aol.com> wrote: > What you have here is a failure to get it, compounded > by an unwillingness to admit you don't get it. > Very unsurprising. > you don't get it. Arguing with you is like arguing with religious fundamentalists. It's an article of faith (in spite the obvious facts) with you people that NO acid is ever pushed out the vent tube. It's also an article of faith that *only* oxygen and hydrogen exit the vent tube. If that's the case, *why* does the vent tube ALWAYS point DOWN, instead of UP? When I worked on general aviation aircraft, I had occasion to install a battery vent system with a draft tube on the bottom of the vent hose. A draft tube provides positive venting of the battery box. The tube is cut on an angle so that turbulence behind the draft tube sucks gasses (and liquids) out of the battery box. The vent tube pointed DOWN, not up.
From: Rob Kleinschmidt on 3 Aug 2010 02:06 On Aug 2, 4:22 pm, "`" <breoganmacbr...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 11:22 am, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > What you have here is a failure to get it, compounded > > by an unwillingness to admit you don't get it. > > Very unsurprising. > > you don't get it. > > Arguing with you is like arguing with religious fundamentalists. > > It's an article of faith (in spite the obvious facts) with you people > that NO acid is ever pushed out the vent tube. > > It's also an article of faith that *only* oxygen and hydrogen exit the > vent tube. > > If that's the case, *why* does the vent tube ALWAYS point DOWN, > instead of UP? Not a matter of faith at all. I ran an off-grid house for 10 years off a lead/acid battery bank and observed over the course of 10 years that an annual topping off with distilled water and charging restored the electrolyte density just fine. I already provided several links on battery maintenance. Here's another good one from a lead/acid battery manufacturer. http://www.trojanbattery.com/Tech-Support/BatteryMaintenance.aspx Lessee now. Who should I believe ? Krusty or the manufacturer ? That one's a real puzzler alright. > The vent tube pointed DOWN, not up. So what ? What mechanism(s) do you believe cause loss of H2SO4 ? Only ones I'm aware of are spills and overfilling, both of which are caused only by stupidity. None of the above changes the fact that you misdiagnosed the OPs problem and offered stupid and inappropriate advice. I only point it out because you may not be aware that you do this sometimes and then compound it by getting emotionally invested in your incorrect answer.
From: ` on 3 Aug 2010 08:14 On Aug 2, 11:06 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...(a)aol.com> wrote: > So what ? What mechanism(s) do you believe cause > loss of H2SO4 ? Only ones I'm aware of are spills and > overfilling, both of which are caused only by stupidity. When a battery gasses, electrolyte is *lifted* to the top of the cell by the bubbles, just like crude oil is lifted to the surface by the escape of methane gas under pressure, or aquarium water is circulated by a bubble lift pump. When the bubbles in your battery burst, electrolyte is splattered all over any available surface. Just look at the top of a car battery that has filler caps. There will be a film of electrolyte on top of the battery. Just look at the battery cables on cars whose owners don't clean them regularly. They'll be covered with acid crystals. Motorcycle batteries also have a problem with vibration in the battery area. Vibration causes the electrolyte to spritz at the surface, helping the escaping gasses to carry electrolyte out of the battery. Furthermore, consider the fact that motorcycle batteries do not always remain level, they are being tilted from side to side, sloshing the electrolyte at the surface. Some electrolyte must surely be lost from a flooded cell lead acid battery.
From: S'mee on 3 Aug 2010 09:23 On Aug 3, 6:14 am, "`" <breoganmacbr...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 11:06 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > So what ? What mechanism(s) do you believe cause > > loss of H2SO4 ? Only ones I'm aware of are spills and > > overfilling, both of which are caused only by stupidity. > > When a battery gasses, electrolyte is *lifted* to the top of the cell > by the bubbles, > just like crude oil is lifted to the surface by the escape of methane > gas under pressure, or aquarium water is circulated by a bubble lift > pump. > > When the bubbles in your battery burst, electrolyte is splattered all > over any available surface. > > Just look at the top of a car battery that has filler caps. > > There will be a film of electrolyte on top of the battery. > > Just look at the battery cables on cars whose owners don't clean them > regularly. > > They'll be covered with acid crystals. > > Motorcycle batteries also have a problem with vibration in the battery > area. > > Vibration causes the electrolyte to spritz at the surface, helping the > escaping gasses to carry electrolyte out of the battery. > > Furthermore, consider the fact that motorcycle batteries do not always > remain level, they are being tilted from side to side, sloshing the > electrolyte at the surface. > > Some electrolyte must surely be lost from a flooded cell lead acid > battery. bullshit. It's been explained ad nauseum at both a professional level and a bubba level and still you continue to deny reality. Damn you are one STUPID inDUHvidual. you life failure.
From: Rob Kleinschmidt on 3 Aug 2010 10:08
On Aug 3, 4:14 am, "`" <breoganmacbr...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Some electrolyte must surely be lost from a flooded cell lead acid > battery. Not enough to significantly affect the electrolyte density. As I've said, don't take my word for it. Consult any manufacturer's maintenance instructions. How hard is that ? |