From: don (Calgary) on
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 08:33:28 -0400, Doug Payne <dwpayne(a)uwaterloo.ca>
wrote:

>Snowed here yesterday as well. On my first day of retirement. Jeez. So I
>did what any self-respecting cold-blooded Canadian would do, I went for
>a nice long ride.

It's been crappy here for a week or so. Not so icy I can't ride, but
the cold North wind takes all the fun out of it.

As for what any self respecting Canadian would do - well I'd say we
should all go to Vegas for the weekend. <g>
From: Doug Payne on
On 10/04/2010 11:49 AM, don (Calgary) wrote:

> As for what any self respecting Canadian would do - well I'd say we
> should all go to Vegas for the weekend.<g>

Hey, I'm old, I'm not sure I could ride 7,000 km in a weekend!
From: Chuck Rhode on
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 15:45:35 +0000, don (Calgary) wrote:

> We all have the same opportunities. I don't have a problem with a
> lack of transparency related to the pricing policies of private
> companies. They have no obligation to charge the same fee to every
> customer.

Well, there you go then!

US Federal law disagrees ... or used to. Firms engaged in interstate
commerce can discriminate but have a legal burden to show how any
discrimination makes sense in terms of their costs.

You would do well in the US health-care system. Here a clinic will
not (cannot) give you a straight answer about how much a flu shot
costs because it depends.... I don't know about you, but I HATE
shopping for flu shots, land line phone service, cellphone service,
internet service, and cable TV. Largely this is because price/value
comparison between providers is so G.. d....d opaque.

That is, I believe, THE reason why prices for these things are so
high: People are disinclined to switch because they don't know what
they'll get even when they know what they've had.

--
... Be Seeing You,
... Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA
... Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX
... 50° — Wind W 3 mph — Sky mostly cloudy.
From: Chuck Rhode on
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 05:29:33 -0700, tomorrow(a)erols.com wrote:

> Let's review. Don wasn't happy with his internet service, so he called
> a competitor to see if it would be worth his time and effort to switch.
> It was, so he did. Then the competitor failed to meet its stated
> obligation, so Don called his original service provider and complained
> about the service he was getting. In an effort to salvage the business
> relationship, the original provider offered price breaks

2/3 discount!

> and service upgrades to Don,

4x speed!

> which were blandishment enough to cause him to risk
> staying with the original provider to see if he could be happy, thus
> giving them a second chance at retaining his business.

They had been ripping him off all along!

> And in your analysis, somehow this is all bad; it's encouraging
> companies to cheat and chisel their customers, it's actually UNETHICAL
> of Don, and it's even "what's wrong with America?"

Uh-huh!

> I disagree. I don't see that Don or either company did anything wrong,
> other than the shortfalls in service demonstrated by both companies that
> he dealt with. In point of fact, it sounds like a normal free market
> transaction to me.

Uh-huh!

> While I can appreciate that it would be easier for the consumer to
> compare prices if all companies offered the exact same rate to all
> customers at all times, published those rates, and never had specials or
> limited offerings or marketing drives, that's not really something we
> can expect in a non-command economy.

.... and your point would be what?

.... that there's room for the states to be involved in consumer
protection?

--
... Be Seeing You,
... Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA
... Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX
... 45° — Wind NW 3 mph
From: S'mee on
On Apr 10, 3:13 pm, Doug Payne <dwpa...(a)uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> On 10/04/2010 11:49 AM, don (Calgary) wrote:
>
> > As for what any self respecting Canadian would do - well I'd say we
> > should all go to Vegas for the weekend.<g>
>
> Hey, I'm old, I'm not sure I could ride 7,000 km in a weekend!

Man up and suck it up buttercup... 8^)