Budget Harley sound
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From: sean_q_ on 15 Jul 2010 12:57 don (Calgary) wrote: > I agree with you about the Sportster, but not so sure about the Evo. The Sportster does have an Evolution motor, kind of... more or less... in a sort of a way... after a fashion... (since 1986). (Rubber-mounted since 2004). (FI since 2007). I've read that the Evo is Harley's best motor. Ever. But of course every version has its fans, and I suppose there are some who will assert that the knuckle-head engine is mankind's greatest achievement since someone invented the lever. SQ
From: don (Calgary) on 15 Jul 2010 19:11 On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:57:31 -0700, sean_q_ <nospam(a)no.spam> wrote: >don (Calgary) wrote: > >> I agree with you about the Sportster, but not so sure about the Evo. > >The Sportster does have an Evolution motor, kind of... more or less... >in a sort of a way... after a fashion... (since 1986). (Rubber-mounted >since 2004). (FI since 2007). > >I've read that the Evo is Harley's best motor. Ever. But of course every >version has its fans, and I suppose there are some who will assert >that the knuckle-head engine is mankind's greatest achievement since >someone invented the lever. > >SQ I've heard the same about the Evo. As long as they start, I am usually content.
From: saddlebag on 15 Jul 2010 20:33 On Jul 14, 11:29 pm, "Road Glidin' Don" <d.lan...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 14, 5:25 pm, "don (Calgary)" <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:09:12 +0100, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk > > > (The Older Gentleman) wrote: > > >sean_q_ <nos...(a)no.spam> wrote: > > > >> If not the Kwak, which metric cruiser sounds most like a Harley? > > > >Some Yamaha 1700 thing I rode a couple of years ago sounded identical. > > >45 degree V-twin, and even with pushrods. > > > If you are thinking about the 1700 Roadstar, not even close. Try as > > they might to make them sound like Harleys, Roadstar owners just > > succeed in making their bikes louder. > > Exactly. They just sound like a baloney-making machine. The Roadstar rumbles I posted have that potato...I'm going to stall...potato, potato sound that every other de-tuned, de-baffled Harley I've ever heard had. Of course, when the idle is properly set, they sound just about like every other air cooled twin out there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z55sW645ybw I'd bet if I mixed up the sounds and had people here guess, the results would come out 50/50.
From: don (Calgary) on 15 Jul 2010 21:03 On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:33:35 -0700 (PDT), saddlebag <saddlebag(a)aol.com> wrote: >On Jul 14, 11:29�pm, "Road Glidin' Don" <d.lan...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Jul 14, 5:25�pm, "don (Calgary)" <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >> > On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:09:12 +0100, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk >> >> > (The Older Gentleman) wrote: >> > >sean_q_ <nos...(a)no.spam> wrote: >> >> > >> If not the Kwak, which metric cruiser sounds most like a Harley? >> >> > >Some Yamaha 1700 thing I rode a couple of years ago sounded identical. >> > >45 degree V-twin, and even with pushrods. >> >> > If you are thinking about the 1700 Roadstar, not even close. �Try as >> > they might to make them sound like Harleys, Roadstar owners just >> > succeed in making their bikes louder. >> >> Exactly. �They just sound like a baloney-making machine. > >The Roadstar rumbles I posted have that potato...I'm going to >stall...potato, potato sound that every other de-tuned, de-baffled >Harley I've ever heard had. Of course, when the idle is properly set, >they sound just about like every other air cooled twin out there: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z55sW645ybw > >I'd bet if I mixed up the sounds and had people here guess, the >results would come out 50/50. And I'd wager, IRL I could pick out the Harley well over 90% of the time and if they all had stock pipes I'd bet my success rate would be near perfect. Now before folks take this the wrong way (read before Neil starts tossing his rattle again) I like the sound of a lot of bikes. In fact most bikes. I am especially pleased with the sound of my Venture, which sounds nothing like a Harley. I have heard some of Yamahas 1700 and 1900 V-twins that have a very pleasing note. I can't figure out why people obsess over trying to emulate the "Harley Sound". What I don't like are straight non baffled pipes. To my ear they are just plain obnoxious and IMHO too many people go to them in order to make their bike sound like a Harley
From: saddlebag on 15 Jul 2010 21:47
On Jul 15, 9:03 pm, "don (Calgary)" <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:33:35 -0700 (PDT), saddlebag > > > > > > <saddle...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >On Jul 14, 11:29 pm, "Road Glidin' Don" <d.lan...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 14, 5:25 pm, "don (Calgary)" <hd.f...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > >> > On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:09:12 +0100, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk > > >> > (The Older Gentleman) wrote: > >> > >sean_q_ <nos...(a)no.spam> wrote: > > >> > >> If not the Kwak, which metric cruiser sounds most like a Harley? > > >> > >Some Yamaha 1700 thing I rode a couple of years ago sounded identical. > >> > >45 degree V-twin, and even with pushrods. > > >> > If you are thinking about the 1700 Roadstar, not even close. Try as > >> > they might to make them sound like Harleys, Roadstar owners just > >> > succeed in making their bikes louder. > > >> Exactly. They just sound like a baloney-making machine. > > >The Roadstar rumbles I posted have that potato...I'm going to > >stall...potato, potato sound that every other de-tuned, de-baffled > >Harley I've ever heard had. Of course, when the idle is properly set, > >they sound just about like every other air cooled twin out there: > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z55sW645ybw > > >I'd bet if I mixed up the sounds and had people here guess, the > >results would come out 50/50. > > And I'd wager, IRL I could pick out the Harley well over 90% of the > time and if they all had stock pipes I'd bet my success rate would be > near perfect. > > Now before folks take this the wrong way (read before Neil starts > tossing his rattle again) I like the sound of a lot of bikes. In fact > most bikes. I am especially pleased with the sound of my Venture, > which sounds nothing like a Harley. I have heard some of Yamahas 1700 > and 1900 V-twins that have a very pleasing note. > > I can't figure out why people obsess over trying to emulate the > "Harley Sound". > > What I don't like are straight non baffled pipes. To my ear they are > just plain obnoxious and IMHO too many people go to them in order to > make their bike sound like a Harley I agree with just about everything you said, but I still can't believe anyone could tell the difference in a double blind test. I mean if the engines are spinning the same speed what is the difference? They are both push rod driven, single crankpin, ~45° air-cooled twins. Does the Yamaha ceramic cylinder lining damp a couple of audible frequencies that you and Superman can discern? And with mufflers? |