Budget Harley sound
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From: Odinn on 15 Jul 2010 22:47 Beav wrote: > > > > > "Andrew" <yogig(a)no.spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:i1lkuu$nkf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> >> "Beav" <beavis.original(a)ntlwoxorld.com> wrote in message >> news:zrr%n.192235$tH4.47886(a)hurricane... >>> >>> >>> "Andrew" <yogig(a)no.spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:i1l9vp$e0g$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> >>>> "The Older Gentleman" <totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in >>>> message news:1jln43v.1vffjqpzl6t1cN%totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk... >>>>> sean_q_ <nospam(a)no.spam> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If not the Kwak, which metric cruiser sounds most like a Harley? >>>>> >>>>> Some Yamaha 1700 thing I rode a couple of years ago sounded identical. >>>>> 45 degree V-twin, and even with pushrods. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> That's the one that got them sued for copyright infringement (if I >>>> remember right. Perhaps it was patent infringement.) >>>> HD apparently owns that sound. >>> >>> I believe they *tried* to sue, claiming the Harley sound was a >>> trademark, but they failed. If I'm wrong, I'm sure you'll be able to >>> show me the error of my ways via some proof. >> >> No, they sued, but I don't know the outcome. >> It doesn't take more than the blowing of some wind to file a suit. >> As far as proof goes, I have none, and don't intend on researching >> this, since I could care less about the topic (read HD.) > > The end result is that Harley actually *don't* own that sound though and > that was the point. > >> >>> >>> They DID manage to trademark the "Hog" name though. >> >> Great, that's awesome. > > Innit? :-) > See how internet rumours get started? Harley never sued another motorcycle manufacturer about the sound of the engine. They DID sue a Toy manufacturer that RECORDED a Harley engine and played it back. Harley DID win that suit. This is the only suit in which Harley sued someone about the sound of the engine. -- Odinn RCOS #7 SENS BS #154 Nothing but net to reply
From: Andrew on 16 Jul 2010 00:41 "Odinn" <odinn(a)atlantabiker.nonet> wrote in message news:91u4h7-72i.ln1(a)jormungandr.atlantabiker.net... > Beav wrote: >> >> >> >> >> "Andrew" <yogig(a)no.spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:i1lkuu$nkf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> >>> "Beav" <beavis.original(a)ntlwoxorld.com> wrote in message >>> news:zrr%n.192235$tH4.47886(a)hurricane... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Andrew" <yogig(a)no.spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:i1l9vp$e0g$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "The Older Gentleman" <totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in >>>>> message news:1jln43v.1vffjqpzl6t1cN%totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk... >>>>>> sean_q_ <nospam(a)no.spam> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If not the Kwak, which metric cruiser sounds most like a Harley? >>>>>> >>>>>> Some Yamaha 1700 thing I rode a couple of years ago sounded >>>>>> identical. >>>>>> 45 degree V-twin, and even with pushrods. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's the one that got them sued for copyright infringement (if I >>>>> remember right. Perhaps it was patent infringement.) >>>>> HD apparently owns that sound. >>>> >>>> I believe they *tried* to sue, claiming the Harley sound was a >>>> trademark, but they failed. If I'm wrong, I'm sure you'll be able to >>>> show me the error of my ways via some proof. >>> >>> No, they sued, but I don't know the outcome. >>> It doesn't take more than the blowing of some wind to file a suit. >>> As far as proof goes, I have none, and don't intend on researching this, >>> since I could care less about the topic (read HD.) >> >> The end result is that Harley actually *don't* own that sound though and >> that was the point. >> >>> >>>> >>>> They DID manage to trademark the "Hog" name though. >>> >>> Great, that's awesome. >> >> Innit? :-) >> > > > See how internet rumours get started? Harley never sued another > motorcycle manufacturer about the sound of the engine. They DID sue a Toy > manufacturer that RECORDED a Harley engine and played it back. Harley DID > win that suit. This is the only suit in which Harley sued someone about > the sound of the engine. > I recall the threat of the suit, if not the actual suit against Yamaha. Odinn, great God, you've killed all the fun. :-) -- Andrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple 05 Squiddo RCOS#7 too.
From: Odinn on 16 Jul 2010 01:27 Andrew wrote: > > > > > "Odinn" <odinn(a)atlantabiker.nonet> wrote in message > news:91u4h7-72i.ln1(a)jormungandr.atlantabiker.net... >> Beav wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Andrew" <yogig(a)no.spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:i1lkuu$nkf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Beav" <beavis.original(a)ntlwoxorld.com> wrote in message >>>> news:zrr%n.192235$tH4.47886(a)hurricane... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Andrew" <yogig(a)no.spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:i1l9vp$e0g$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "The Older Gentleman" <totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in >>>>>> message news:1jln43v.1vffjqpzl6t1cN%totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk... >>>>>>> sean_q_ <nospam(a)no.spam> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If not the Kwak, which metric cruiser sounds most like a Harley? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some Yamaha 1700 thing I rode a couple of years ago sounded >>>>>>> identical. >>>>>>> 45 degree V-twin, and even with pushrods. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's the one that got them sued for copyright infringement (if I >>>>>> remember right. Perhaps it was patent infringement.) >>>>>> HD apparently owns that sound. >>>>> >>>>> I believe they *tried* to sue, claiming the Harley sound was a >>>>> trademark, but they failed. If I'm wrong, I'm sure you'll be able >>>>> to show me the error of my ways via some proof. >>>> >>>> No, they sued, but I don't know the outcome. >>>> It doesn't take more than the blowing of some wind to file a suit. >>>> As far as proof goes, I have none, and don't intend on researching >>>> this, since I could care less about the topic (read HD.) >>> >>> The end result is that Harley actually *don't* own that sound though >>> and that was the point. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> They DID manage to trademark the "Hog" name though. >>>> >>>> Great, that's awesome. >>> >>> Innit? :-) >>> >> >> >> See how internet rumours get started? Harley never sued another >> motorcycle manufacturer about the sound of the engine. They DID sue a >> Toy manufacturer that RECORDED a Harley engine and played it back. >> Harley DID win that suit. This is the only suit in which Harley sued >> someone about the sound of the engine. >> > > I recall the threat of the suit, if not the actual suit against Yamaha. > Odinn, great God, you've killed all the fun. :-) > I think what everyone here is confusing is that Harley tried to trademark their sound, like MGM trademarked the sound of the lion roar. On 1 February 1994, the company filed its trademark application with the following description: "The mark consists of the exhaust sound of applicant's motorcycles, produced by V-twin, common crankpin motorcycle engines when the goods are in use". What resulted was that 9 other motorcycle manufacturers filed opposition to the trademark application. After 6 years of litigation between Harley trying to get the trademark and the other manufacturers fighting against the trademark, Harley withdrew the trademark application. Harley didn't sue any other motorcycle manufacturer about the sound. -- Odinn RCOS #7 SENS BS #154 Nothing but net to reply
From: The Older Gentleman on 16 Jul 2010 02:26 Odinn <odinn(a)atlantabiker.nonet> wrote: > See how internet rumours get started? Harley never sued another > motorcycle manufacturer about the sound of the engine. They DID sue a > Toy manufacturer that RECORDED a Harley engine and played it back. > Harley DID win that suit. This is the only suit in which Harley sued > someone about the sound of the engine. He's right. and Harley only *considered* trying to patent the potato-potato sound. I blame 9/11, myself. <Postscript after raeding further> Patent, trademark..... -- BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F Triumph Street Triple Suzuki TS250ER GN250 Damn, back to six bikes! Try Googling before asking a damn silly question. chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
From: S'mee on 16 Jul 2010 10:39
On Jul 16, 12:26 am, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote: > saddlebag <saddle...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > On Jul 15, 2:20 am, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older > > Gentleman) wrote: > > > > Nah. I've Googled it now. Warrior. Probably the same engine, and > > > definitely not my style. Stock pipes, and at tickover sounded just like > > > an equally-silenced HD. Hardly surprising, given the engine layout. > > > I own one and I don't think mine sounds much like a Harley at all, but > > then I have a two into one pipe and don't set the idle at 36 rpm. > > *Shrug* You guys spend more of your time around Harleys than I do. > > > > > People who ride behind me often comment on what a nice sound it has. > > It is well baffled, but still has a nice thunderous punch when opened > > up. > > > Personally, I like the sound of Triumph Triples, followed by V4s, then > > Ducatis. > > *Any* triple sounds good (with the exception of a BMW K75). Trident, > Kawasaki, Suzuki, Honda, Yamaha.... > > > > > I always thought BMWs had about the lamest sounding exhaust note, > > Boxers are distinctive, if nothing else. > > > but > > supposedly the work they've done to the engines in the last year or > > two has really improved that. I'm eager to hear one. > > The new ones rasp nicely. All well and good but from the stand point of what my ears have heard only two have ever sounded truly stimulating, raucous<sic> and well just RIGHT. That would be Moto Guzzi when they did a 500cc V8 4stroke and that new V4 made in the states. Most motors sound like well, motors, but those two? Ah, they make you want to take the mirrors off and hit the road. |