Dropping a Honda ST1300, Twice
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From: S'mee on 29 Dec 2009 11:04 On Dec 29, 5:58 am, Gaidheal <breoganmacbr...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Pathetic lying geriatric chickenhawk attempts something...but he's so incoherent even my connections at foggy bottom couldn't translate it.
From: S'mee on 29 Dec 2009 11:07 On Dec 29, 6:23 am, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote: > That had absolutely *nothing* to do with tyre sizes. I had to write an > article on this a few years ago, and did a lot of research into the > phenomenon of the wobbly Pan. You haven't, evidently. IIRC it was determined to be all the "cop gear" that was placed in the hard bags and trunk, correct? I don't think the ever figured out a cure that works.
From: The Older Gentleman on 29 Dec 2009 11:54 S'mee <stevenkeith2(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 29, 6:23 am, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older > Gentleman) wrote: > > > That had absolutely *nothing* to do with tyre sizes. I had to write an > > article on this a few years ago, and did a lot of research into the > > phenomenon of the wobbly Pan. You haven't, evidently. > > IIRC it was determined to be all the "cop gear" that was placed in the > hard bags and trunk, correct? I don't think the ever figured out a > cure that works. That was one factor, yes. The old airhead BMWs, back in the day, could wobble with cop kit as well, only they were going much slower. Honda had a recall to tighten the engine mounting bolts - they said bolts not correctly tightened set up play in the frame/engine set-up. Others found that suspension settings were critical. Ditto tyre pressures. There was some mention of aerodynamics, as well. It was probably a combnation of any/all of the above, really, but certainly the amount of stuff loaded onto the Plod bikes was a factor. Whatever, it killed the ST13 pretty much dead in the UK. They sold a few, but the old 1100 is still highly regarded and sought-after and nobody really wants the 1300. What it *wasn't* was too narrow yres, like out Mechanical Genius claims. -- BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F Triumph Street Triple Suzuki TS250ER GN250 Damn, back to six bikes! Try Googling before asking a damn silly question. chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
From: don (Calgary) on 29 Dec 2009 12:39 On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:23:17 +0000, totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote: >That had absolutely *nothing* to do with tyre sizes. I had to write an >article on this a few years ago, and did a lot of research into the >phenomenon of the wobbly Pan. I would like to read this article. Was it published? Is it available online?
From: Gaidheal on 29 Dec 2009 12:46
On Dec 29, 8:54 am, totallydeadmail...(a)yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote: > What it *wasn't* was too narrow yres, like out Mechanical Genius claims. Narrow sport tires with stiff carcasses do NOT work well on top heavy overweight motorcycles like the ST1300. Been there, done that with my GS1100 over twenty years ago. The solution was wider rims and tires, suspension tuning, careful adjustment of inflation pressures, and, most important of all, adjusting the chassis balance by pulling the fork stanchion tubes up through the triple trees as far as possible. Factory teams who raced the old style 1000cc superbikes in the late 1970's used to cut the frame and rake out the forks several extra degrees and they also had special triple trees made to avoid killing off the extra trail. But all this has nothing to do with why David T. Ashley dropped the rental bike at zero speed twice. That was because the damned thing is top heavy, even to a 250 pound dude that stands 6 foot 4 inches tall. |