From: Lozzo on
SteveH wrote:

> Marc Gerges <marc.gerges(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I'm also dumb-founded. I've had lots of experience with French
> > > cars and have found that in general, build quality is shite.
> >
> > There's your exception: few years ago, german automobile club (the
> > ones picking up broken cars on the road) declared the Xsara Picasso
> > best of class
>
> What else is in the same class?....

Alfa Romeo, that makes anything, just anything else a winner.

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From: Marc Gerges on
Oily <martinhill100(a)nospambtconnect.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > What else is in the same class?....
>>
>> Volkswagen Touran
>
> Now that's in a (better) class of it's own

Personal preference, methinks. It feels built like a rock. Sadly, it
drives like one, too.

Still, breaks down every now and then.

cu
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From: Catman on
Lozzo wrote:
> SteveH wrote:
>
>> Marc Gerges <marc.gerges(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm also dumb-founded. I've had lots of experience with French
>>>> cars and have found that in general, build quality is shite.
>>> There's your exception: few years ago, german automobile club (the
>>> ones picking up broken cars on the road) declared the Xsara Picasso
>>> best of class
>> What else is in the same class?....
>
> Alfa Romeo, that makes anything, just anything else a winner.
>

Meh. My 156 feel better put together than my ex-bosse's Saab 9-5 and my
ex-minion's Merc C200 nasty thing.

Both our daily Alfa's were *much* better put together than the POS Asta
1.6 slug SWMBO got as a loan car.

Not so much in terms of fit and finish, they were pretty much
comparable, but the quality of the materials used seemed very different.

YMMV obviously ;)

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From: J�r�my on
Champ <news(a)champ.org.uk> wrote in
news:faokg51317gqumv4ht71mgq5jnu54ur491(a)4ax.com:

> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:36:54 +0000, Pete Fisher
> <Peter(a)ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>SWMBO's Punto JTD has gone 5 years and 43000 miles without any
problems,
>>yet most on here will say all Fiats are rubbish build quality. For some
>>people 'build quality' seems to be more about the aesthetics of the
>>plastic cabin and instrument panel than basic reliability.
>
> Quite - what they really mean is 'fit and finish', usually judged by
> the noise the door makes when you shut it.
>
> This is why I always has a hollow laugh when Honda motorcycles are
> claimed by newbies to have a high 'build quality'.

Exactly. If they don't have doors, how can you tell?

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From: Wicked Uncle Nigel on
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, The Older
Gentleman <totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> typed
>
>I remember some Skoda being recalled because they just ran the brake
>pipe under the carpet or something for the RHD conversion, and if (in
>panic mode) a front seat passenger instinctively jabbed for a brake
>pedal (and I bet we have *all* done that at some time) they could
>actually crimp the brake hose and actuate the brakes.

I think it was a Yugo, IIRC. And the problem was that they left the
braking stuff on the LHS and ran actuating rods over to the right.

The bulkhead was so flimsy that it could flex and move the actuating
rods, hence applying the brakes. Hard.

>Not all cars work for RHD, though. Renault never engineered the original
>Twingo for it, for example.

New Mini Clubman suicide door, for example...

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