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From: Henry on 1 Feb 2010 09:19

A friend of mine if thinking about moving to Clovis,
which is near Fresno. I'm looking for opinions on
the area, such as climate, quality of life, quality
of air, economy, etc..
TIA!



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From: Anonymous on 1 Feb 2010 11:06
On Feb 1, 7:58 am, Henry <9-11tr...(a)experts.org> wrote:

>   The pollution, summer heat, and winter fog concerned me. She has
> a bit of trouble with allergies and asthma, although living here
> in the pristine Finger Lakes region of NY, it didn't seem to be
> much of a problem.

Well, she should know about Valley Fever then:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_fever

Fresno *is* the cultural capital of the county though. She might like
to read the events section of the Fresno Bee to see if there are
events she'd like to attend and things she likes to do.


From: Rob Kleinschmidt on 1 Feb 2010 11:09
On Feb 1, 6:19 am, Henry <9-11tr...(a)experts.org> wrote:
>   A friend of mine if thinking about moving to Clovis,
> which is near Fresno. I'm looking for opinions on
> the area, such as climate, quality of life, quality
> of air, economy, etc..
>   TIA!

I'm not real keen on the central valley myself, the one
exception being maybe some university towns. Pretty
hot in the summer. Close to the Sierras. Low housing
costs by California standards. Very agribusiness oriented.
Fairly conservative politically.

OK I guess if it's the right job or person that's the attraction.
I meet some likable enough people at rallys who hail from
the Fresno area. Your friend might want to take a look
beforehand.

My personal preference would be the coast range, Sierra
foothills, central coast or north of SF. I guess I'd also
include S.F., parts of L.A. and some of the towns and cities
near the coast.

From: Anonymous on 1 Feb 2010 12:54
On Feb 1, 8:09 am, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...(a)aol.com> wrote:

> Pretty hot in the summer. Close to the Sierras.

A lot of the mountain roads are closed from the end of October until
April, making
the Sierras inacessible for winter riding.

> Very agribusiness oriented.

You can translate agribusiness as "fascist". Agribusiness managers are
dedicated to squeezing their profit out of labor, so they keep
demanding more and more "guest workers," claiming that Americans
"don't want to do that kind of work."

Guess what? Mexicans don't want to do that kind of work either, and
they don't want their children to have to do that when they grow up.

So they make sure that the kids go to public schools and community
colleges.

But when the kids graduate, there's no work for them that they are
willing to do, so they leave the area, and there is always a demand
for more and more and more Mexican laborers to keep this stupid cycle
going.

And why do the agribusiness managers need to cut costs and squeeze a
profit out of cheap labor?

It's because 40% of California's budget is going to pay for educating
the children of the supposedly cheap laborers.

The solution to California's immigration problem should be obvious:
quit bringing in
Mexican labor and retrain the idle African American work force which
is sitting idle in places like Detroit.

But the problem with that is racism. California was brought into the
Union in 1850 as part of the Missouri Compromise. Negros, free or
slave, were not allowed in California.

And the San Joaquin valley farmers opposed Colonel Allensworth when he
tried to set up a farming colony of freed slaves after the Civil War.
Farmers poisoned wells and burned barns and crops and Colonel
Allensworth was murdered when a motorcyclist "accidentally" ran over
him. Twice.

Locals don't even want to *hear* the suggestion that African Americans
be brought to the valley to do farm work.

> Fairly conservative politically.

Of course the *farmers* and land owners are Republicans. The ag
workers are Mexicans and vote for Democrats.

> I meet some likable enough people at rallys who hail from
> the Fresno area.

People who own BMW's aren't like the mouth breathers that ride
cruisers around the valley.

> My personal preference would be the coast range, Sierra
> foothills, central coast or north of SF.

But it seems like it's never going to stop raining from November to
April along the coast north of San Francisco. My friend from high
school moved to Sacramento and he said that the sun never shines there
until late spring.

> I guess I'd also include S.F., parts of L.A. and some of the towns and cities
> near the coast.

San Luis Obisbo, Morro Bay, and points north along Hwy 1 are nice, but
locals are complaining about Mexican problems from Lompoc north
through Atascadero to Gilroy.

From: Rob Kleinschmidt on 1 Feb 2010 13:37
On Feb 1, 7:58 am, Henry <9-11tr...(a)experts.org> wrote:

> Her family lives there (Clovis) and is pressuring her to join them.

> The pollution, summer heat, and winter fog concerned me. She has
> a bit of trouble with allergies and asthma, although living here
> in the pristine Finger Lakes region of NY, it didn't seem to be
> much of a problem.

She ought to make one or more extended visits before committing.
I'm moderately familiar with both Ithaca and Fresno and there's
quite a large difference. Do it on a trial basis if possible.

Allergies vary from person to person. I'm better in California than
NY. If they're a problem, best bet might be a bedroom with really
well filtered air. 8 hours a day in good air can sometimes get you
through another 16 where you're exposed to heavy irritants.

Some allergies can be very seasonal too, so you don't really know
how well you'll get on until you've spent a full year.



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