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From: Jim on 8 Dec 2009 09:13 M J Carley wrote: > In the referenced article, Andy Bonwick <nospam(a)bonwick.me.uk> writes: >>On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:17:08 GMT, ensmjc(a)bath.ac.uk (M J Carley) wrote: > >>>The problem is making them work safely at a *known* cost. > >> You're quite a funny bloke when you want to be. > > It's a serious statement: the problem at the moment is that nobody > really knows what it costs to build a nuclear power station. I'm not sure that you're correct. If we applied this thinking to all decisions nothing would ever get done - we'd spend all our time trying to estimate the impact over the rest of history. And it's quite disingenuous to attach this thinking to nuclear power when we quite happily build wind turbines or hydro schemes with little idea of the eventual return on expenditure or environmental impact.
From: Ace on 8 Dec 2009 09:31 On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:48:16 -0000, "'Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> wrote: >Ace wrote: >> Sadly, our Palo Alto office has closed down and all functions moved to >> South San Francisco. Shame, as PA's a really nice little student town, >> and hardly American at all. > >But SF is a great place to visit? Is that supposed to be a question? It's in full pre-xmas regalia right now, with carols being sung last night outside the hotel (in Union Sq, so pretty much the middle of things) and everything else you'd expect.
From: 'Hog on 8 Dec 2009 09:32 M J Carley wrote: > In the referenced article, Andy Bonwick <nospam(a)bonwick.me.uk> writes: >> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:17:08 GMT, ensmjc(a)bath.ac.uk (M J Carley) >> wrote: > >>> The problem is making them work safely at a *known* cost. > >> You're quite a funny bloke when you want to be. > > It's a serious statement: the problem at the moment is that nobody > really knows what it costs to build a nuclear power station. But this appears to be true of all huge infrastructure investments. The consumer prices can be adjusted at future values to cope. The financial industry bailout proves that we could fund proper infrastructure if we had political will. PFI (1) underpins it. A current expert panel assert the need and the solution. The next govmint contracts it at agreed price. The next 6-12 govmints have to make sure it is paid for. Multiple generations of citizens get guaranteed benefits. (1) No *please* don't argue PFI with me, it required COMPETENT contract formulation. -- 'Hog '06 ST4-S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 '81 R65 Outfit
From: 'Hog on 8 Dec 2009 09:33 Ace wrote: > On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:48:16 -0000, "'Hog" > <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> wrote: > >> Ace wrote: > >>> Sadly, our Palo Alto office has closed down and all functions moved >>> to South San Francisco. Shame, as PA's a really nice little student >>> town, and hardly American at all. >> >> But SF is a great place to visit? > > Is that supposed to be a question? > > It's in full pre-xmas regalia right now, with carols being sung last > night outside the hotel (in Union Sq, so pretty much the middle of > things) and everything else you'd expect. Well I love it and I'm not sure why you wouldn't. -- 'Hog '06 ST4-S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 '81 R65 Outfit
From: Leszek Karlik on 8 Dec 2009 09:34
On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:53:31 +0100, M J Carley <ensmjc(a)bath.ac.uk> wrote: [...] >>> The problem is making them work safely at a *known* cost. >> You're quite a funny bloke when you want to be. > It's a serious statement: the problem at the moment is that nobody > really knows what it costs to build a nuclear power station. Well, it turns nobody really knew what it cost to build a coal power station either. Unless you mean "nuke power plants are notoriously overbudget", which is a problem of government procurement in general and applies to lots of things, not only nuclear power plants. Japanese and French seem to be able to build nukes within the estimated and allocated budget. -- Leszek 'Leslie' Karlik NTV 650 |