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From: Leszek Karlik on 8 Dec 2009 08:24 On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:09:52 +0100, 'Hog <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailchips.co.uk> wrote: [...] > Bit like making the railways work. For that reason I don't think we have > a good solution other than letting the Frogs do it. The Nips, too. They have working railways and can build nuclear reactors within budget and on schedule. :-) > Sadly that means PWR. Or ABWR. :-) -- Leszek 'Leslie' Karlik NTV 650
From: 'Hog on 8 Dec 2009 08:25 M J Carley wrote: > In the referenced article, "'Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> > writes: >> M J Carley wrote: > >>> Hardly a neutral source. Do they mention that no civil nuclear power >>> station, anywhere, ever, has been built without a public subsidy? >>> Has anyone ever built a reactor on-time, on budget? > >> Your points are valid however they have also operated for twice their >> original design lives. > >> The financial and logistical problems faced by Nuclear are Political. >> The concepts and viability are rock solid. OK there is one other >> problem. The engineering and planning overheads are so enormous >> there are very few players and the industry is like a drifting >> supertanker. New thinking and new technology are hard to adopt. > > Concepts and viability are not solid: the newest reactor in the world > (in Finland) is three and a half years behind schedule and 50% over > budget. Nobody has yet worked out how to make the things properly. > >> www.aw-energy.com > > That does look nice. The osmotic plant in Norway is sweet: > > http://www.statkraft.com/energy-sources/osmotic-power/ That is a nice niche product for many specific locations. Oyster 1 is live. It was developed with Queens in Belfast BTW. It feckin huge! I don't think Aquamarine or AW are *quite* there yet. They have identified the power source and location but the Transducer could more efficiently be some sort of combination wave guide and hydrostatic tube. But competing Patents and industrial interests are going to get in the way I expect. -- 'Hog '06 ST4-S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 '81 R65 Outfit
From: Andy Bonwick on 8 Dec 2009 08:40 On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:17:08 GMT, ensmjc(a)bath.ac.uk (M J Carley) wrote: >In the referenced article, Andy Bonwick <nospam(a)bonwick.me.uk> writes: >>On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:35:50 GMT, ensmjc(a)bath.ac.uk (M J Carley) wrote: >> >>snip> >> >>>Concepts and viability are not solid: the newest reactor in the world >>>(in Finland) is three and a half years behind schedule and 50% over >>>budget. Nobody has yet worked out how to make the things properly. >>> >>People know how to make nuclear reactors work, the problem is making >>them work safely at a low cost. > >The problem is making them work safely at a *known* cost. You're quite a funny bloke when you want to be.
From: M J Carley on 8 Dec 2009 08:53 In the referenced article, Andy Bonwick <nospam(a)bonwick.me.uk> writes: >On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:17:08 GMT, ensmjc(a)bath.ac.uk (M J Carley) wrote: >>The problem is making them work safely at a *known* cost. > You're quite a funny bloke when you want to be. It's a serious statement: the problem at the moment is that nobody really knows what it costs to build a nuclear power station. -- Si deve tornare alle basi: Marx ed i Clash. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/
From: Stupendous Man on 8 Dec 2009 09:01
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