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From: dusty on 1 Aug 2010 10:25 On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:51:21 -0600, "Bob Myers" <nospamplease(a)address.invalid> wrote: >S'mee wrote: > >> Nice thought, but if they want a passport...fuggedit. I like canada, >> don't get me wrong...but to go there or mexico my own government >> shouldn't be requiring a passoport to get home. > >Just curious - what do you have against passports? And how >would you expect immigration control at national borders to >work without them? > >Bob M. > Be nice if things were like they were pre-9/11. Just a driver's license and/or any other proof that you were a Canadian or American citizen would be nice. Borders worked just fine for generations then. Too bad we have to live by the terrorists leave these days. :( Much as there are a lot of mid-western states I'd like to ride through I, for one, won't be crossing any borders till things chill in the states.
From: saddlebag on 1 Aug 2010 10:41 On Aug 1, 10:25 am, dusty <hard.ri...(a)the.big.roundup.com> wrote: > On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:51:21 -0600, "Bob Myers" > > <nospample...(a)address.invalid> wrote: > >S'mee wrote: > > >> Nice thought, but if they want a passport...fuggedit. I like canada, > >> don't get me wrong...but to go there or mexico my own government > >> shouldn't be requiring a passoport to get home. > > >Just curious - what do you have against passports? And how > >would you expect immigration control at national borders to > >work without them? > > >Bob M. > > Be nice if things were like they were pre-9/11. Just a driver's > license and/or any other proof that you were a Canadian or American > citizen would be nice. Borders worked just fine for generations then. > Too bad we have to live by the terrorists leave these days. :( > > Much as there are a lot of mid-western states I'd like to ride through > I, for one, won't be crossing any borders till things chill in the > states. You can forget that. The muttonheads have taken over and common sense is gone forever. I waited in a line for a couple hours to cross into Washington state from BC a few years back while police pretended to make us more secure by hassling everyone who wanted thru. On the way up I went into Canada on a much less used road and was simply asked by a cute little female guard if I ever had a DUI. Strange question, but I said no and she said welcome to Canada. If I had been riding a dual purpose bike, I could have crossed borders in a zillion places without even the need to answer a single silly question. We have let 19 dead towel heads scare the once mighty US into acting like a herd a frightened sheep. It's pathetic, but I wouldn't count on it changing anytime soon.
From: dusty on 1 Aug 2010 12:09 On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 07:41:15 -0700 (PDT), saddlebag <saddlebag(a)aol.com> wrote: >On Aug 1, 10:25�am, dusty <hard.ri...(a)the.big.roundup.com> wrote: >> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:51:21 -0600, "Bob Myers" >> >> <nospample...(a)address.invalid> wrote: >> >S'mee wrote: >> >> >> Nice thought, but if they want a passport...fuggedit. I like canada, >> >> don't get me wrong...but to go there or mexico my own government >> >> shouldn't be requiring a passoport to get home. >> >> >Just curious - what do you have against passports? �And how >> >would you expect immigration control at national borders to >> >work without them? >> >> >Bob M. >> >> Be nice if things were like they were pre-9/11. Just a driver's >> license and/or any other proof that you were a Canadian or American >> citizen would be nice. Borders worked just fine for generations then. >> Too bad we have to live by the terrorists leave these days. :( >> >> Much as there are a lot of mid-western states I'd like to ride through >> I, for one, won't be crossing any borders till things chill in the >> states. > >You can forget that. The muttonheads have taken over and common sense >is gone forever. I waited in a line for a couple hours to cross into >Washington state from BC a few years back while police pretended to >make us more secure by hassling everyone who wanted thru. On the way >up I went into Canada on a much less used road and was simply asked by >a cute little female guard if I ever had a DUI. Strange question, but >I said no and she said welcome to Canada. If I had been riding a dual >purpose bike, I could have crossed borders in a zillion places without >even the need to answer a single silly question. > >We have let 19 dead towel heads scare the once mighty US into acting >like a herd a frightened sheep. It's pathetic, but I wouldn't count >on it changing anytime soon. Yeah. Who'd a guessed a hand full of insignificant nobodys could have changed the world the way they did. Sure makes the statement, "We don't deal with terrorists" pretty meaningless now don't it? Just too bad they're having the last laugh on us. :(
From: J. Clarke on 1 Aug 2010 13:15 On 8/1/2010 12:09 PM, dusty wrote: > On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 07:41:15 -0700 (PDT), saddlebag<saddlebag(a)aol.com> > wrote: > >> On Aug 1, 10:25 am, dusty<hard.ri...(a)the.big.roundup.com> wrote: >>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:51:21 -0600, "Bob Myers" >>> >>> <nospample...(a)address.invalid> wrote: >>>> S'mee wrote: >>> >>>>> Nice thought, but if they want a passport...fuggedit. I like canada, >>>>> don't get me wrong...but to go there or mexico my own government >>>>> shouldn't be requiring a passoport to get home. >>> >>>> Just curious - what do you have against passports? And how >>>> would you expect immigration control at national borders to >>>> work without them? >>> >>>> Bob M. >>> >>> Be nice if things were like they were pre-9/11. Just a driver's >>> license and/or any other proof that you were a Canadian or American >>> citizen would be nice. Borders worked just fine for generations then. >>> Too bad we have to live by the terrorists leave these days. :( >>> >>> Much as there are a lot of mid-western states I'd like to ride through >>> I, for one, won't be crossing any borders till things chill in the >>> states. >> >> You can forget that. The muttonheads have taken over and common sense >> is gone forever. I waited in a line for a couple hours to cross into >> Washington state from BC a few years back while police pretended to >> make us more secure by hassling everyone who wanted thru. On the way >> up I went into Canada on a much less used road and was simply asked by >> a cute little female guard if I ever had a DUI. Strange question, but >> I said no and she said welcome to Canada. If I had been riding a dual >> purpose bike, I could have crossed borders in a zillion places without >> even the need to answer a single silly question. >> >> We have let 19 dead towel heads scare the once mighty US into acting >> like a herd a frightened sheep. It's pathetic, but I wouldn't count >> on it changing anytime soon. > > Yeah. Who'd a guessed a hand full of insignificant nobodys could have > changed the world the way they did. > > Sure makes the statement, "We don't deal with terrorists" pretty > meaningless now don't it? Just too bad they're having the last laugh > on us. :( I really don't understand why people are making such a big deal out of crossing the border. The only time I've had any kind of delay was coming off the ferry from Nova Scotia and that was more because they had a whole boatload of traffic to process at once than to any inefficiency in the process. Maybe if you're crossing at one of the locations that is in the middle of a major metropolitan area it's different, but from Vermont or NY to Quebec or vice versa on the bike it's never been a big deal--coming inot the US it's usually show the passport, answer "no, sir" to a bunch of "do you have questions", answer yes, sir to "are you willing to let me look in your cases" (he's never actually asked me to open them, just asked if I was willing"), if it's slow maybe a little chit chat, and that's it. It's about the same the other way except the list of stuff I say I don't have is different and they don't generally ask if I'm willing to let them look in the cases.
From: don (Calgary) on 1 Aug 2010 16:01
On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 07:41:15 -0700 (PDT), saddlebag <saddlebag(a)aol.com> wrote: > >You can forget that. The muttonheads have taken over and common sense >is gone forever. I waited in a line for a couple hours to cross into >Washington state from BC a few years back while police pretended to >make us more secure by hassling everyone who wanted thru. On the way >up I went into Canada on a much less used road and was simply asked by >a cute little female guard if I ever had a DUI. Strange question, but >I said no and she said welcome to Canada. If I had been riding a dual >purpose bike, I could have crossed borders in a zillion places without >even the need to answer a single silly question. I can't count the times I have crossed the US border since 2001 and only once have I been detained for longer than a few minutes answering questions. On that occasion they wanted to go through my luggage and saddlebags. I do believe the Customs personnel could be a little more friendly and possibly develop a bit of a sense of humour, but I have not felt hassled by any of them. |