From: look on
In article <12u48vsqunoi3fb(a)corp.supernews.com>,
P.Roehling <Pete.Roehling(a)CUTOUTeee.org> wrote:
> [ ... ]
> If the good cops out there -and they're probably a
>vast majority- would stop covering up for the bad apples, the general public
>would respect cops a lot more than they do now.

Sorry, anyone cop covering for a bad cop is a
bad cop.
From: Citizen Bob on
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:28:18 -0500, Steve Furbish
<sfurbish(a)hotpop.com> wrote:

>> I've always wondered what would make a statutory law not perfectly
>> valid.

>It would have to violate either the federal or a state constitution I
>think.

You left out jury nullification.

>> Suppose, after an enforcement sting, a number of motorists were caught
>> speeding. What defense could they use in court against this perfectly
>> valid statutory law?

>They would probably be hard-pressed to find a defense that worked,
>however, enacting such a law should be political suicide for the
>legislators who pass it. If you don't like the current traffic laws in
>your state then call your local representative and complain. When you
>complain to the cop about the current state of the law you're bitching at
>someone who doesn't have the authority to change it.

But he does have the authority to issue a warning.


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law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty,
property, and all those who are enjoying them with us;
thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson
From: Citizen Bob on
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:56:34 -0500, Steve Furbish
<sfurbish(a)hotpop.com> wrote:

>Unfortunately for your argument Bob, some jurisdictions make it next to
>impossible to get more than a bench trial for traffic infractions. They
>make traffic violations something less than criminal and remove your right
>to a guaranteed trial by jury.

RLC violations were made civil penalties for just that reason. However
all the others are Class C Misdemeanors, which means you do have a
right to trial by jury.


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"To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written
law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty,
property, and all those who are enjoying them with us;
thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson
From: Citizen Bob on
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:01:51 -0600, tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com
(Brent P) wrote:

>Amendement VII is dead.

>Amendment VII
>In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed
>twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no
>fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the
>United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

>10,9,8,7,6,5,4,most of 2, and some of 1 have been rendered moot.

All thanks to the 14th Am.


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"To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written
law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty,
property, and all those who are enjoying them with us;
thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson
From: Citizen Bob on
On 26 Feb 2007 09:26:14 -0800, "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>> They may not be infallible but you choose to violate them at your own
>> peril.

>That's right - sit in the back of the bus, or be arrested.

And when the jury nullifes that illegitimate law, the civil rights
movement begins.


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"To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written
law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty,
property, and all those who are enjoying them with us;
thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means."
--Thomas Jefferson