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From: look on 26 Feb 2007 12:49 In article <12u48vsqunoi3fb(a)corp.supernews.com>, P.Roehling <Pete.Roehling(a)CUTOUTeee.org> wrote: > [ ... ] > If the good cops out there -and they're probably a >vast majority- would stop covering up for the bad apples, the general public >would respect cops a lot more than they do now. Sorry, anyone cop covering for a bad cop is a bad cop.
From: Citizen Bob on 26 Feb 2007 13:03 On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:28:18 -0500, Steve Furbish <sfurbish(a)hotpop.com> wrote: >> I've always wondered what would make a statutory law not perfectly >> valid. >It would have to violate either the federal or a state constitution I >think. You left out jury nullification. >> Suppose, after an enforcement sting, a number of motorists were caught >> speeding. What defense could they use in court against this perfectly >> valid statutory law? >They would probably be hard-pressed to find a defense that worked, >however, enacting such a law should be political suicide for the >legislators who pass it. If you don't like the current traffic laws in >your state then call your local representative and complain. When you >complain to the cop about the current state of the law you're bitching at >someone who doesn't have the authority to change it. But he does have the authority to issue a warning. -- "To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means." --Thomas Jefferson
From: Citizen Bob on 26 Feb 2007 13:11 On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:56:34 -0500, Steve Furbish <sfurbish(a)hotpop.com> wrote: >Unfortunately for your argument Bob, some jurisdictions make it next to >impossible to get more than a bench trial for traffic infractions. They >make traffic violations something less than criminal and remove your right >to a guaranteed trial by jury. RLC violations were made civil penalties for just that reason. However all the others are Class C Misdemeanors, which means you do have a right to trial by jury. -- "To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means." --Thomas Jefferson
From: Citizen Bob on 26 Feb 2007 13:12 On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:01:51 -0600, tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote: >Amendement VII is dead. >Amendment VII >In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed >twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no >fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the >United States, than according to the rules of the common law. >10,9,8,7,6,5,4,most of 2, and some of 1 have been rendered moot. All thanks to the 14th Am. -- "To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means." --Thomas Jefferson
From: Citizen Bob on 26 Feb 2007 13:16
On 26 Feb 2007 09:26:14 -0800, "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> They may not be infallible but you choose to violate them at your own >> peril. >That's right - sit in the back of the bus, or be arrested. And when the jury nullifes that illegitimate law, the civil rights movement begins. -- "To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means." --Thomas Jefferson |