Do Red-Light cams show the light red as well as license plate photo?
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From: Brent P on 23 Feb 2007 14:14 In article <12tu29fgut51q4d(a)corp.supernews.com>, Robert Bolton wrote: > I was given a ticket for running a red light by a Valencia California > policeman. I did stop, but the guy said the law requires that you not > move for 3 seconds. Probably a cop made up rule. I had heard that being the case in IL too... but reading the vehicle code says otherwise: (625 ILCS 5/11.904) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11.904) Sec. 11.904. Vehicle entering stop or yield intersection. (a) Preferential right.of.way at an intersection may be indicated by stop or yield signs as authorized in Section 11.302 of this Chapter. (b) Except when directed to proceed by a police officer or traffic.control signal, every driver of a vehicle approaching a stop intersection indicated by a stop sign shall stop at a clearly marked stop line, but if none, before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection, or if none, then at the point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway before entering the intersection. After having stopped, the driver shall yield the right.of.way to any vehicle which has entered the intersection from another roadway or which is approaching so closely on the roadway as to constitute an immediate hazard during the time when the driver is moving across or within the intersection, but said driver having so yielded may proceed at such time as a safe interval occurs. There is no minimum time to be stopped. Just that one stops. On a bicycle if I roll backwards a bit, that means I have stopped, even if it appeared my wheels were always rolling. Since to change direction, one goes through a point of zero. Anyway, I assume CA law is similiar to IL law. It would be surprising if it were different. Far too much of what is enforced and what drivers expect is unwritten and simply made up.
From: BTR1701 on 23 Feb 2007 14:37 In article <12tu29fgut51q4d(a)corp.supernews.com>, "Robert Bolton" <robertboltondrop(a)gci.net> wrote: > "Timberwoof" <timberwoof.spam(a)infernosoft.com> wrote in message > news:timberwoof.spam-CC3B0A.19165222022007(a)nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net... > > In article <a7fst2dme170na4gi4626le5nv9rkdksb6(a)4ax.com>, > > Free Lunch <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:27:35 -0600, in misc.transport.road > >> russotto(a)grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote in > >> <cp-dnXY58LIqYUDYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>: > >> >In article <544b92F1uv9lgU4(a)mid.individual.net>, > >> >brink <brink(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>While we're on the subject, I'd like to know how the RLC > >> >>differentiates > >> >>between legal movements against a red light (specifically right turns > >> >>on > >> >>red) from illegal movements. Anyone? > >> > > >> >Ticket 'em all and don't bother to sort them out. If too many people > >> >complain, a "no right turn on red" sign solves the problem. > >> > >> I was given a ticket for not stopping at a stop sign. I have no idea > >> whether the judge in the city court had seen his docket or not, but in > >> his introduction he noted that people don't stop for stop signs and > >> that > >> he wasn't going to believe anyone about stopping. At least it was an > >> actual cop that ticketed me. > > > > Well, that sounds like an appeal right there: My father, a German, > > taught me to drive, so I'm pretty anal about stopping for stop signs. > > (It also gets people to stop tailgating me.) Being found guilty because > > the judge assumes that everybody is guilty of that offense strikes me as > > injustice. > > > I was given a ticket for running a red light by a Valencia California > policeman. I did stop, but the guy said the law requires that you not > move for 3 seconds. I've never heard of such a thing. A complete stop is all that is required. Probably something the cop made up on the spot to justify his stop.
From: Ben Kaufman on 23 Feb 2007 15:59 On 22 Feb 2007 21:47:29 -0800, "k_flynn(a)lycos.com" <k_flynn(a)lycos.com> wrote: >On Feb 22, 8:21 pm, Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000- >doll...(a)pobox.com> wrote: >> On 22 Feb 2007 07:53:39 -0800, "k_fl...(a)lycos.com" <k_fl...(a)lycos.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Feb 22, 7:52 am, Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000- >> >doll...(a)pobox.com> wrote: >> >> On 21 Feb 2007 21:50:18 -0800, "k_fl...(a)lycos.com" <k_fl...(a)lycos.com> wrote: >> >> >> >On Feb 21, 6:57 pm, Calgary >> >> ><actualrider_remove_the_obvio...(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:37:16 -0800, "brink" <b...(a)invalid.invalid> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >While we're on the subject, I'd like to know how the RLC differentiates >> >> >> >between legal movements against a red light (specifically right turns on >> >> >> >red) from illegal movements. Anyone? >> >> >> >> How about the direction of the car. >> >> >> >To answer both: The second photo. The first one shows the vehicle >> >> >behind the intersection line when the light has turned red. The second >> >> >is shot after the car has proceeded through sufficiently to show that >> >> >it was going straight, not making a ROR. The photos are time-stamped >> >> >to show the proper sequence. >> >> >> Whoa, that would be an awful lot of data to sift through at the end of the day. >> >> >You're kidding, right? It's not much data at all. There's no sifting >> >at the end of the day. It's generated at the time, and it's two >> >photos. My $100 digital camera time-stamps everything I shoot too. >> >> Maybe 400+ cars make a right on red during the day at a busy intersection? So >> that's 800+ pictures that need to be analyzed, right? > >No. There are none. The system is supposed to be triggered by a >vehicle going above a certain speed. Virtually no ROR turners would >trigger it. On the off-chance that one does, the second photo would >show the turn. OK, that makes more sense. The above wasn't totally clear about that, just that the second photo determined whether it was an ROR or not. Ben
From: Matthew T. Russotto on 23 Feb 2007 16:01 In article <12tu29fgut51q4d(a)corp.supernews.com>, Robert Bolton <robertboltondrop(a)gci.net> wrote: > >> >I was given a ticket for running a red light by a Valencia California >policeman. I did stop, but the guy said the law requires that you not >move for 3 seconds. Given a 3 second rule, I believe the judge is correct >in saying no one stops at a stop light....unless they need to make a call >on their cell phone perhaps. That's a perfect example of one of those laws the cops just make up. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one.
From: Ben Kaufman on 23 Feb 2007 16:02
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:16:52 -0800, Timberwoof <timberwoof.spam(a)infernosoft.com> wrote: >In article <a7fst2dme170na4gi4626le5nv9rkdksb6(a)4ax.com>, > Free Lunch <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:27:35 -0600, in misc.transport.road >> russotto(a)grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote in >> <cp-dnXY58LIqYUDYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>: >> >In article <544b92F1uv9lgU4(a)mid.individual.net>, >> >brink <brink(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >> >> >>While we're on the subject, I'd like to know how the RLC differentiates >> >>between legal movements against a red light (specifically right turns on >> >>red) from illegal movements. Anyone? >> > >> >Ticket 'em all and don't bother to sort them out. If too many people >> >complain, a "no right turn on red" sign solves the problem. >> >> I was given a ticket for not stopping at a stop sign. I have no idea >> whether the judge in the city court had seen his docket or not, but in >> his introduction he noted that people don't stop for stop signs and that >> he wasn't going to believe anyone about stopping. At least it was an >> actual cop that ticketed me. > >Well, that sounds like an appeal right there: My father, a German, >taught me to drive, so I'm pretty anal about stopping for stop signs. >(It also gets people to stop tailgating me.) Being found guilty because >the judge assumes that everybody is guilty of that offense strikes me as >injustice. > >All the more reason we need small video cameras and recorders in our >vehicles. If that judge believes that everybody is guilty then he should be removed as incompetent. Ben |