Do Red-Light cams show the light red as well as license plate photo?
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From: k_flynn on 22 Feb 2007 20:45 Calgary wrote: > On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:34:30 -0800, Timberwoof > <timberwoof.spam(a)infernosoft.com> wrote: > > > > >Do these tickets cost points on your license? That will be even more > >expensive. > > In Alberta we do not have license plates on the front of our vehicles, > and because of that all pictures are taken from the rear with no view > of the driver. Since the driver cannot be identified the financial > responsibility for the ticket defaults to the owner, but since it > can't be proven the owner was the driver there are no points levied to > the license. That sounds strange; the lack of a front license plate doesn't preclude you from taking a picture of the driver.
From: Calgary on 22 Feb 2007 21:09 On 22 Feb 2007 17:45:56 -0800, "k_flynn(a)lycos.com" <k_flynn(a)lycos.com> wrote: >Calgary wrote: >> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:34:30 -0800, Timberwoof >> <timberwoof.spam(a)infernosoft.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >Do these tickets cost points on your license? That will be even more >> >expensive. >> >> In Alberta we do not have license plates on the front of our vehicles, >> and because of that all pictures are taken from the rear with no view >> of the driver. Since the driver cannot be identified the financial >> responsibility for the ticket defaults to the owner, but since it >> can't be proven the owner was the driver there are no points levied to >> the license. > >That sounds strange; the lack of a front license plate doesn't >preclude you from taking a picture of the driver. Without adding a second camera it sure does. To get the plate, the car, the light and the driver all in one shot would require the picture be taken from the front, if we had front license plates. -- 24 hours in a day & 24 beer in a case Coincidence? I think not
From: Timberwoof on 22 Feb 2007 22:13 In article <itist21kodls16rad9li8jmnct9kp3nvaj(a)4ax.com>, Calgary <actualrider_remove_the_obvious_(a)telus.net> wrote: > On 22 Feb 2007 17:45:56 -0800, "k_flynn(a)lycos.com" <k_flynn(a)lycos.com> > wrote: > > >Calgary wrote: > >> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:34:30 -0800, Timberwoof > >> <timberwoof.spam(a)infernosoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >Do these tickets cost points on your license? That will be even more > >> >expensive. > >> > >> In Alberta we do not have license plates on the front of our vehicles, > >> and because of that all pictures are taken from the rear with no view > >> of the driver. Since the driver cannot be identified the financial > >> responsibility for the ticket defaults to the owner, but since it > >> can't be proven the owner was the driver there are no points levied to > >> the license. > > > >That sounds strange; the lack of a front license plate doesn't > >preclude you from taking a picture of the driver. > > Without adding a second camera it sure does. To get the plate, the > car, the light and the driver all in one shot would require the > picture be taken from the front, if we had front license plates. Taking the picture from the front makes it hard to see the traffic light the car is facing. -- Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com "Like this cup," the master daid, "you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you anything unless you first empty your cup?"
From: Timberwoof on 22 Feb 2007 22:16 In article <a7fst2dme170na4gi4626le5nv9rkdksb6(a)4ax.com>, Free Lunch <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:27:35 -0600, in misc.transport.road > russotto(a)grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote in > <cp-dnXY58LIqYUDYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>: > >In article <544b92F1uv9lgU4(a)mid.individual.net>, > >brink <brink(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> > >>While we're on the subject, I'd like to know how the RLC differentiates > >>between legal movements against a red light (specifically right turns on > >>red) from illegal movements. Anyone? > > > >Ticket 'em all and don't bother to sort them out. If too many people > >complain, a "no right turn on red" sign solves the problem. > > I was given a ticket for not stopping at a stop sign. I have no idea > whether the judge in the city court had seen his docket or not, but in > his introduction he noted that people don't stop for stop signs and that > he wasn't going to believe anyone about stopping. At least it was an > actual cop that ticketed me. Well, that sounds like an appeal right there: My father, a German, taught me to drive, so I'm pretty anal about stopping for stop signs. (It also gets people to stop tailgating me.) Being found guilty because the judge assumes that everybody is guilty of that offense strikes me as injustice. All the more reason we need small video cameras and recorders in our vehicles. -- Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com "Like this cup," the master daid, "you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you anything unless you first empty your cup?"
From: Ben Kaufman on 22 Feb 2007 22:21
On 22 Feb 2007 07:53:39 -0800, "k_flynn(a)lycos.com" <k_flynn(a)lycos.com> wrote: >On Feb 22, 7:52 am, Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000- >doll...(a)pobox.com> wrote: >> On 21 Feb 2007 21:50:18 -0800, "k_fl...(a)lycos.com" <k_fl...(a)lycos.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Feb 21, 6:57 pm, Calgary >> ><actualrider_remove_the_obvio...(a)telus.net> wrote: >> >> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:37:16 -0800, "brink" <b...(a)invalid.invalid> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >While we're on the subject, I'd like to know how the RLC differentiates >> >> >between legal movements against a red light (specifically right turns on >> >> >red) from illegal movements. Anyone? >> >> >> How about the direction of the car. >> >> >To answer both: The second photo. The first one shows the vehicle >> >behind the intersection line when the light has turned red. The second >> >is shot after the car has proceeded through sufficiently to show that >> >it was going straight, not making a ROR. The photos are time-stamped >> >to show the proper sequence. >> >> Whoa, that would be an awful lot of data to sift through at the end of the day. > >You're kidding, right? It's not much data at all. There's no sifting >at the end of the day. It's generated at the time, and it's two >photos. My $100 digital camera time-stamps everything I shoot too. Maybe 400+ cars make a right on red during the day at a busy intersection? So that's 800+ pictures that need to be analyzed, right? Ben |