Do Red-Light cams show the light red as well as license plate photo?
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From: BryanUT on 21 Feb 2007 23:07 Shameless top post for the UK link: "Tim Kreitz" <timkreitz(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1172116553.714713.196110(a)t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 21, 9:47 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" > <xeton2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> Oh stop whining you big baby. If these RLC are so faulty, then why have i >> NEVER been nabbed by one?? In any city i lived in?? Just obey the law >> and >> don't run red lights and you won't have any problem. > > What an uninformed Yes Man for Big Brother you are. Here are just a > few articles on the dangers and problems these types of surveillance > systems create: > > 1. Fatalities rise in speed camera hotspots - "The UK government > recently suspended the deployment of more speed cameras pending the > outcome of of a University College London probe into whether they > actually save lives...56,247 tickets were issued although this had > little effect on safety, with an 18 per cent increase in road deaths." > > http://www.theregister.com/2005/07/19/gatso_deaths_link/ > > 2. Colorado red-light cameras increase crashes - "Automated traffic > enforcement cameras are sending tickets to drivers at a record pace, > but traffic accidents have gone up, not down as predicted when the > system was installed. A recent report in the Colorado Avalanche > revealed that a system of red light cameras in Ft. Collins issued 64 > percent more citations, but the citations did nothing to reduce > accidents. The Coloradoan newspaper reported an increase in accidents > of 83 percent at the same intersection...'The red-light cameras just > don't work as advertised. Thousands of innocent drivers are getting > tickets they do not deserve,' said Scott. 'The red light cameras > actually lead to an increase in rear-end accidents as drivers slam on > their brakes to avoid citations.'" > > http://www.clickpress.com/releases/Detailed/5762005cp.shtml > > 3. Rollout of UK's '24x7 vehicle movement database' begins - "ACPO's > tech section don't seem to have needed any kind of Parliamentary > approval to begin the deployment of what promises to be one the most > pervasive surveillance systems on earth." > > http://www.theregister.com/2005/11/15/vehicle_movement_database/ > > 4. Red light cameras sacrifice safety for revenue - "At locations > where red-light violations persist, there are simpler and less > intrusive alternatives to photo enforcement. Most red-light running > can be eliminated through better engineering, including traffic light > synchronization, increased yellow-light durations, deactivation of > signals during low-volume periods, and proper speed limits." > > http://www.motorists.com/camerafiasco.html > > HTHYFM. > > Cheers, > > Tim Kreitz > 2003 ZX7R > 2000 ZX6R > http://www.timkreitz.com >
From: Justin on 21 Feb 2007 23:20 : <xeton2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: : > Oh stop whining you big baby. If these RLC are so faulty, then why have i : > NEVER been nabbed by one?? In any city i lived in?? Just obey the law and : > don't run red lights and you won't have any problem. In rec.motorcycles Tim Kreitz <timkreitz(a)yahoo.com> wrote: : What an uninformed Yes Man for Big Brother you are. Here are just a : few articles on the dangers and problems these types of surveillance : systems create: While everything you say is correct, Tim, it doesn't really contradict what xeton2 is saying. You're both right in your own ways. And in any case, it may be that there will be an initial increase as people learn that the system exists and then a decrease as they realize that punishment is unavoidable. Much like a dog learning how an electric fence works. Justin '02 Shadow VT750DC
From: Keith Schiffner on 21 Feb 2007 23:45 "Justin" <no(a)spam.com> wrote in message news:erj5lt$f63$1(a)grapevine.wam.umd.edu... >: <xeton2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > : > Oh stop whining you big baby. If these RLC > are so faulty, then why have i > : > NEVER been nabbed by one?? In any city i > lived in?? Just obey the law and > : > don't run red lights and you won't have any > problem. > > In rec.motorcycles Tim Kreitz > <timkreitz(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > : What an uninformed Yes Man for Big Brother you > are. Here are just a > : few articles on the dangers and problems these > types of surveillance > : systems create: > > While everything you say is correct, Tim, it > doesn't really contradict > what xeton2 is saying. You're both right in > your own ways. > > And in any case, it may be that there will be an > initial increase as > people learn that the system exists and then a > decrease as they realize > that punishment is unavoidable. Much like a dog > learning how an electric > fence works. And then you run into the dogs both old and young who go through said fence without noticing...those are the damn smart and damn GOOD dogs imo. I be a smart old dog, take it as you will it wont offend me. -- Keith Schiffner History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it. Robert Heinlein
From: Calgary on 21 Feb 2007 23:46 On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 04:20:13 +0000 (UTC), "Justin" <no(a)spam.com> wrote: >: <xeton2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >: > Oh stop whining you big baby. If these RLC are so faulty, then why have i >: > NEVER been nabbed by one?? In any city i lived in?? Just obey the law and >: > don't run red lights and you won't have any problem. > >In rec.motorcycles Tim Kreitz <timkreitz(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >: What an uninformed Yes Man for Big Brother you are. Here are just a >: few articles on the dangers and problems these types of surveillance >: systems create: > >While everything you say is correct, Tim, it doesn't really contradict >what xeton2 is saying. You're both right in your own ways. > >And in any case, it may be that there will be an initial increase as >people learn that the system exists and then a decrease as they realize >that punishment is unavoidable. Much like a dog learning how an electric >fence works. > We have had red light cameras for many years in Calgary. It is true, accidents at intersections have gone up over those years, but they are now predominantly minor rear enders as opposed to the more serious and life threatening broadsides that occurred in the pre-camera days. What those statistics don't say is that the cameras cannot replace old fashioned police work. Routine traffic stops would also catch incidental infractions such as driving without insurance, impaired driving & a bunch of others the cameras just let go. I am not sure which is worse when it comes to traffic enforcement, the various cameras generating massive revenues or traffic cops trying to meet their ticket quotas with traditional radar at their favorite fishing holes. Neither really serve to make our roads that much safer. -- 24 hours in a day & 24 beer in a case Coincidence? I think not
From: k_flynn on 22 Feb 2007 00:50
On Feb 21, 6:57 pm, Calgary <actualrider_remove_the_obvio...(a)telus.net> wrote: > On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:37:16 -0800, "brink" <b...(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > > > > >While we're on the subject, I'd like to know how the RLC differentiates > >between legal movements against a red light (specifically right turns on > >red) from illegal movements. Anyone? > > How about the direction of the car. To answer both: The second photo. The first one shows the vehicle behind the intersection line when the light has turned red. The second is shot after the car has proceeded through sufficiently to show that it was going straight, not making a ROR. The photos are time-stamped to show the proper sequence. |