Do Red-Light cams show the light red as well as license plate photo?
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From: SurrogateMcCoy on 22 Feb 2007 02:40 On Feb 21, 7:55�pm, "Tim Kreitz" <timkre...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Feb 21, 9:47 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" > > <xeton2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Oh stop whining you big baby. If these RLC are so faulty, then why have i > > NEVER been nabbed by one?? In any city i lived in?? Just obey the law and > > don't run red lights and you won't have any problem. > > What an uninformed Yes Man for Big Brother you are. Here are just a > few articles on the dangers and problems these types of surveillance > systems create: > > 1. Fatalities rise in speed camera hotspots - "The UK government > recently suspended the deployment of more speed cameras pending the > outcome of of a University College London probe into whether they > actually save lives...56,247 tickets were issued although this had > little effect on safety, with an 18 per cent increase in road deaths." > > http://www.theregister.com/2005/07/19/gatso_deaths_link/ > > 2. Colorado red-light cameras increase crashes - "Automated traffic > enforcement cameras are sending tickets to drivers at a record pace, > but traffic accidents have gone up, not down as predicted when the > system was installed. A recent report in the Colorado Avalanche > revealed that a system of red light cameras in Ft. Collins issued 64 > percent more citations, but the citations did nothing to reduce > accidents. The Coloradoan newspaper reported an increase in accidents > of 83 percent at the same intersection...'The red-light cameras just > don't work as advertised. Thousands of innocent drivers are getting > tickets they do not deserve,' said Scott. 'The red light cameras > actually lead to an increase in rear-end accidents as drivers slam on > their brakes to avoid citations.'" > > http://www.clickpress.com/releases/Detailed/5762005cp.shtml > > 3. Rollout of UK's '24x7 vehicle movement database' begins - "ACPO's > tech section don't seem to have needed any kind of Parliamentary > approval to begin the deployment of what promises to be one the most > pervasive surveillance systems on earth." > > http://www.theregister.com/2005/11/15/vehicle_movement_database/ > > 4. Red light cameras sacrifice safety for revenue - "At locations > where red-light violations persist, there are simpler and less > intrusive alternatives to photo enforcement. Most red-light running > can be eliminated through better engineering, including traffic light > synchronization, increased yellow-light durations, deactivation of > signals during low-volume periods, and proper speed limits." > > http://www.motorists.com/camerafiasco.html > > HTHYFM. > > Cheers, > > Tim Kreitz > 2003 ZX7R > 2000 ZX6Rhttp://www.timkreitz.com Forgive me for being a little confused, I grew up behind the "Iron Curtain", but is this the so called "Free World"? http://www.theregister.com/2005/11/15/vehicle_movement_database/ Borka
From: gpsman on 22 Feb 2007 02:47 On Feb 22, 1:09 am, Scott en Aztlán <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > "Doc" <docsavag...(a)yahoo.com> said in rec.autos.driving: > > >The issue of red-light cams has come up in Florida. An article in > >today's paper doesn't seem to indicate that there's any method to > >prove that the light was actually red when the car went through the > >intersection - such as a second photo showing your vehicle in the > >intersection and the light. > > Some do: > > http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=11bj6vn A picture of a vehicle without the light would be insufficient evidence to charge, much less convict. ----- - gpsman
From: Brent P on 22 Feb 2007 03:12 In article <1172130059.186506.8010(a)p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, SurrogateMcCoy(a)aol.com wrote: > Forgive me for being a little confused, I grew up behind the "Iron > Curtain", but is this the so called "Free World"? > > http://www.theregister.com/2005/11/15/vehicle_movement_database/ The governments of the "Free World" have to become more like that of the Soviet Union in order to protect us from: A) the communists. B) the drug dealers. C) the terrorists. D) people who don't buy car insurance E) drug users F) drunk drivers G) sexual predators H) whatever they come up with next I) anything I forgot. and J) ourselves. Sincerly, The New World Order.
From: Bill Walker on 22 Feb 2007 07:00 "Justin" <no(a)spam.com> wrote in message news:erj5lt$f63$1(a)grapevine.wam.umd.edu... >: <xeton2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > : > Oh stop whining you big baby. If these RLC are so faulty, then why > have i > : > NEVER been nabbed by one?? In any city i lived in?? Just obey the law > and > : > don't run red lights and you won't have any problem. > > In rec.motorcycles Tim Kreitz <timkreitz(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > : What an uninformed Yes Man for Big Brother you are. Here are just a > : few articles on the dangers and problems these types of surveillance > : systems create: > > While everything you say is correct, Tim, it doesn't really contradict > what xeton2 is saying. You're both right in your own ways. > > And in any case, it may be that there will be an initial increase as > people learn that the system exists and then a decrease as they realize > that punishment is unavoidable. Much like a dog learning how an electric > fence works. > > Justin > '02 Shadow VT750DC Two words.. "Revenue Enhancement".. Simple solution.. "Not Guilty.. Trial by Jury".. Results.. The Revenue Enhancement will be so severely diluted that the systems will be abandoned because the municipal collection of the traffic courts fines will be too congested to make it profitable.. Bill Walker Irving, Tx. > > >
From: Keith Schiffner on 22 Feb 2007 08:52
>> Forgive me for being a little confused, I grew >> up behind the "Iron >> Curtain", but is this the so called "Free >> World"? >> >> http://www.theregister.com/2005/11/15/vehicle_movement_database/ > > The governments of the "Free World" have to > become more like that of > the Soviet Union in order to protect us from: > > A) the communists. > B) the drug dealers. > C) the terrorists. > D) people who don't buy car insurance > E) drug users > F) drunk drivers > G) sexual predators > H) whatever they come up with next > I) anything I forgot. > and > J) ourselves. > > Sincerly, > The New World Order. Damn straight and that is why some of us keep sharp knives, long guns, pistols, shotguns and other paraphernalia that I am bound by oath not to mention. It is also why no action has been taken at this time. Unlike the British civil war in American colonies things are not as easy to sus out. The New Sons of Liberty (fueled by knowledge, wisdom and good stout) P.S. You wouldn't mind letting us store our Davey Crockett system in you garage would you? Honest the warheads are stored in lead cases! |