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From: Alan Moore on 24 Feb 2007 00:15 On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:16:52 -0800, Timberwoof <timberwoof.spam(a)infernosoft.com> wrote: >In article <a7fst2dme170na4gi4626le5nv9rkdksb6(a)4ax.com>, > Free Lunch <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:27:35 -0600, in misc.transport.road >> russotto(a)grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote in >> <cp-dnXY58LIqYUDYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d(a)speakeasy.net>: >> >In article <544b92F1uv9lgU4(a)mid.individual.net>, >> >brink <brink(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >> >> >>While we're on the subject, I'd like to know how the RLC differentiates >> >>between legal movements against a red light (specifically right turns on >> >>red) from illegal movements. Anyone? >> > >> >Ticket 'em all and don't bother to sort them out. If too many people >> >complain, a "no right turn on red" sign solves the problem. >> >> I was given a ticket for not stopping at a stop sign. I have no idea >> whether the judge in the city court had seen his docket or not, but in >> his introduction he noted that people don't stop for stop signs and that >> he wasn't going to believe anyone about stopping. At least it was an >> actual cop that ticketed me. > >Well, that sounds like an appeal right there: My father, a German, >taught me to drive, so I'm pretty anal about stopping for stop signs. >(It also gets people to stop tailgating me.) Being found guilty because >the judge assumes that everybody is guilty of that offense strikes me as >injustice. > >All the more reason we need small video cameras and recorders in our >vehicles. Provided, of course, that the police and courts pay proper attention to the meaning of "probable cause." After all, do you really want the police to simply pull out your recording and say "Thanks, Bub" as they write you up? Al Moore DoD 734
From: Robert Bolton on 24 Feb 2007 00:18 "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:PoWdnaB4squfoELYnZ2dnUVZ_oqmnZ2d(a)comcast.com... > In article <12tu29fgut51q4d(a)corp.supernews.com>, Robert Bolton wrote: > >> I was given a ticket for running a red light by a Valencia California >> policeman. I did stop, but the guy said the law requires that you not >> move for 3 seconds. > > Probably a cop made up rule. I had heard that being the case in IL > too... > but reading the vehicle code says otherwise: > ...... > There is no minimum time to be stopped. Just that one stops. On a > bicycle > if I roll backwards a bit, that means I have stopped, even if it > appeared > my wheels were always rolling. Since to change direction, one goes > through a point of zero. > I admit I did a quick stop as I was late picking up my niece. It was the type where you roll up to where you feel the wheels stop turning but the suspension is still torque a bit forward. > Anyway, I assume CA law is similiar to IL law. It would be surprising if > it were different. Far too much of what is enforced and what drivers > expect is unwritten and simply made up. > I could believe it, as he offered the rule after I disagreed with his charge of failing to stop by telling him my wheels had stopped rolling. It really was an unfair ticketing but I have this aversion to upsetting policepersons. Robert
From: Brent P on 24 Feb 2007 00:26 In article <mcivt2dol8u4n8hvcuk3viqqfp84po1f47(a)4ax.com>, Alan Moore wrote: > Provided, of course, that the police and courts pay proper attention > to the meaning of "probable cause." > > After all, do you really want the police to simply pull out your > recording and say "Thanks, Bub" as they write you up? Illegal search and seizure. However hidden video cameras have been known to catch many a cop and exposed ones gotten them to straighten up their act.
From: Robert Bolton on 24 Feb 2007 00:43 "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:yfydne1RkKroUULYnZ2dnUVZ_vfinZ2d(a)comcast.com... > In article <mcivt2dol8u4n8hvcuk3viqqfp84po1f47(a)4ax.com>, Alan Moore > wrote: > >> Provided, of course, that the police and courts pay proper attention >> to the meaning of "probable cause." >> >> After all, do you really want the police to simply pull out your >> recording and say "Thanks, Bub" as they write you up? > > Illegal search and seizure. However hidden video cameras have been known > to catch many a cop and exposed ones gotten them to straighten up their > act. > It can work both ways too. A city policeman here in Anchorage wrote an assemblyman a traffic citation. The assemblyman explained to the officer he was an assemblyman but got the ticket anyway. He then got really abusive and told the policeman he was going to cut the police budget. The assemblyman complained to the papers about wrongfully being ticketed. The police department issued no statement. He then went on TV news to call for an investigation into police brutality. The police department released a copy of the recording the officer had secretly made during the stop, clearly showing the assemblyman had been the abusive one and had attempted to use his position as an assemblyman to get out of a ticket. Slam dunk. Robert
From: Bill Walker on 24 Feb 2007 08:11
"Robert Bolton" <robertboltondrop(a)gci.net> wrote in message news:12tvilpcaucf16e(a)corp.supernews.com... > > "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:PoWdnaB4squfoELYnZ2dnUVZ_oqmnZ2d(a)comcast.com... >> In article <12tu29fgut51q4d(a)corp.supernews.com>, Robert Bolton wrote: >> >>> I was given a ticket for running a red light by a Valencia California >>> policeman. I did stop, but the guy said the law requires that you not >>> move for 3 seconds. >> >> Probably a cop made up rule. I had heard that being the case in IL too... >> but reading the vehicle code says otherwise: >> > ..... >> There is no minimum time to be stopped. Just that one stops. On a bicycle >> if I roll backwards a bit, that means I have stopped, even if it appeared >> my wheels were always rolling. Since to change direction, one goes >> through a point of zero. >> > > I admit I did a quick stop as I was late picking up my niece. It was the > type where you roll up to where you feel the wheels stop turning but the > suspension is still torque a bit forward. > >> Anyway, I assume CA law is similiar to IL law. It would be surprising if >> it were different. Far too much of what is enforced and what drivers >> expect is unwritten and simply made up. >> > > I could believe it, as he offered the rule after I disagreed with his > charge of failing to stop by telling him my wheels had stopped rolling. It > really was an unfair ticketing but I have this aversion to upsetting > policepersons. > > Robert That's what they count on.. Most people don't want to rock the boat and just put the check in the mail.. > > |